What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

[Byrjun]

This is how TunnelQuest goes:

Legolas auctions, 'WTS Sword of Truth'
You tell Legolas, 'How much for Sword of Truth'
Legolas tells you, 'Make an offer'

Here's what really happened:

Legolas auctions, 'WTS Sword of Truth'
You tell Legolas, 'How much for Sword of Truth'
Legolas tells you, 'Make an offer. If your offer is higher than the going rate for Sword of Truth I'll sell it to you, but if your offer is lower than the going rate for Sword of Truth then I'll ignore any further tells'

This jackass obviously knows how much he wants to sell it for or he wouldn't be trying to sell it. 99% of people who don't put prices in their auction are trying to take advantage of desperate/ignorant people.

99% of the time I won't even attempt to buy your item if there isn't a price attached. I don't play that game. At least be honest, if you're looking for 20% above the going price for a certain item then just put that price in your auction blurb.

[Throndor]

If availability exceeds demand, price goes down. If demand exceeds availability, price goes up. Arbitrarily attempting to stagnate a price at the GUIDELINE listed on wiki is a fool's errand. I could sit around all day attempting to extract MAX value at an item, or I could offload the shit i don't want and go back to playing the actual game and generating more pixels to sell at a later time. Only people that are inept at generating pixels to sell are "firm" in their pricing.

Regards.

[Deadlyfury]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If availability exceeds demand, price goes down. If demand exceeds availability, price goes up. Arbitrarily attempting to stagnate a price at the GUIDELINE listed on wiki is a fool's errand. I could sit around all day attempting to extract MAX value at an item, or I could offload the shit i don't want and go back to playing the actual game and generating more pixels to sell at a later time. Only people that are inept at generating pixels to sell are "firm" in their pricing.

Regards.

Best explanation of the market I have seen, hope the tight asses take note...

Another attitude I hate is people just flat out ignoring a tell, it's a social game, why play if you don't want to talk to other peeps?

The afk function is there, use it!

[Briscoe]

As someone who has done my fair share of EC buying and selling on this server, I side with Tomtee on the price listing debate. In the majority of cases I do not list prices for items I am selling and Tomtee has already discussed some of my own reasons.

I will add that an additional reason that I don't usually list prices is that I WANT a potential buyer to send me a /tell so that I can get a conversation going. I believe that there are more people who will ask what the price is than people who will not because they assume I am intending to gouge. And what I'm worried about is someone not sending me a /tell because they don't have exactly the amount I'm asking for. If I can get a conversation going, maybe I find that the buyer has enough plat to make an offer close enough to my price point that I find it acceptable. Or maybe I find that the buyer doesn't have plat but instead has items for trade which I find to be a good deal. Or maybe I don't make a deal but at least I had a friendly exchange with someone.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Briscoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who has done my fair share of EC buying and selling on this server, I side with Tomtee on the price listing debate. In the majority of cases I do not list prices for items I am selling and Tomtee has already discussed some of my own reasons.

I will add that an additional reason that I don't usually list prices is that I WANT a potential buyer to send me a /tell so that I can get a conversation going. I believe that there are more people who will ask what the price is than people who will not because they assume I am intending to gouge. And what I'm worried about is someone not sending me a /tell because they don't have exactly the amount I'm asking for. If I can get a conversation going, maybe I find that the buyer has enough plat to make an offer close enough to my price point that I find it acceptable. Or maybe I find that the buyer doesn't have plat but instead has items for trade which I find to be a good deal. Or maybe I don't make a deal but at least I had a friendly exchange with someone.

I list with prices. I find when I'm buying from people without prices they're often tunnel fat cats wanting to flip items and always ask for the top end (or even a little above). That's just a waste of time to me, if I see a price I can work with, I'm at least sending a tell. I don't want to get coerced into a final price that I know isn't going to be good. Different strokes for different folks and all that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mentathiel]

Originally Posted by Deadlyfury [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another attitude I hate is people just flat out ignoring a tell, it's a social game, why play if you don't want to talk to other peeps?

The afk function is there, use it!

Sometimes, you can't help it; cats vomit randomly, kids fall down stairs and typing /afk is not the first thing that occurs to you. If I am playing a caster and waiting for my mana to come back, I will often go away to grab a drink and maybe even use the bathroom without feeling that I am truly AFK enough to advertise the fact.

At other times, a random unsolicited message from an unknown player can be intimidating. I mean, if I just wrote a /LFG message, I might expect to get a couple of tells and I'll reply even if all I am saying is that I already have a group. But when I am running through a zone full of dangerous mobs and get a message saying 'Hey' then I am often going to wait for the rest of the message before replying.

Originally Posted by Briscoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the majority of cases I do not list prices for items I am selling and Tomtee has already discussed some of my own reasons.

And what about people who have no idea what the items should cost? I might look up an item on the wiki if I really want it, but there have been times when I have ignored an item because I didn't realise it was in my price-range until later. Please, won't someone think of the noobs?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what about people who have no idea what the items should cost? I might look up an item on the wiki if I really want it, but there have been times when I have ignored an item because I didn't realise it was in my price-range until later. Please, won't someone think of the noobs?

Oh, I assure you that the tunnel fatrats who list items for 25% to 50% over the going price are thinking of the noobs constantly.

[edit]To be fair, so are the people who take the time to sell noob gear for reasonable prices, rather than just vendoring it so they can get back to camping sooner. Nobody's getting rich listing items for 30 to 100pp.[/edit]

[CreamyCowboy]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes, you can't help it; cats vomit randomly, kids fall down stairs and typing /afk is not the first thing that occurs to you.

Lol, this couldn't be more real.

Shit happens and taking care of it is a lot more important than trying to explain what just happened.

[Deadlyfury]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes, you can't help it; cats vomit randomly, kids fall down stairs and typing /afk is not the first thing that occurs to you. If I am playing a caster and waiting for my mana to come back, I will often go away to grab a drink and maybe even use the bathroom without feeling that I am truly AFK enough to advertise the fact.

At other times, a random unsolicited message from an unknown player can be intimidating. I mean, if I just wrote a /LFG message, I might expect to get a couple of tells and I'll reply even if all I am saying is that I already have a group. But when I am running through a zone full of dangerous mobs and get a message saying 'Hey' then I am often going to wait for the rest of the message before replying.


And what about people who have no idea what the items should cost? I might look up an item on the wiki if I really want it, but there have been times when I have ignored an item because I didn't realise it was in my price-range until later. Please, won't someone think of the noobs?

But I'm sure you reply eventually, and when I send a tell I'm always the nicest guy you could get one from.

For e.g "hey mate! You done with this camp yet? If not all good could you just shoot me a tell when you are finished?"

Or "really hate to bother you but I am in need of a rez! Happy to donate please let me know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]"

"Really want this item but I only got 800pp and I know your asking 1k, any chance you would part with it?"

These are the types of tells I get ignored on... It's bullshit!

I totally agree about the price thing, put your price if it is a lower end item (e.g 200pp or even up to 1k!) or at least give a little spiel like perfect for low lvl druid! The noob will come running with tells.

the only people who don't give prices are real estate agents, and nobody likes them! (p.s my dad is a real estate agent)

[August]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what about people who have no idea what the items should cost? I might look up an item on the wiki if I really want it, but there have been times when I have ignored an item because I didn't realise it was in my price-range until later. Please, won't someone think of the noobs?

I get people who message me all the time for the items i'm selling because they don't know what the price is. They often say something like, 'oh my! way out of my price range didn't realize, thanks for replying!'. I've been known to throw those people free jewelry anyways, just because it's fun to make people's day. It's actually one of the best ways to find ACTUAL noobs and lavish gifts upon them, rather than shouting in the tunnel and getting a million level 1s 'BankerAltNumbaThree' pretending to be noobs who need your crap gear. So, win/win for me.