game mechanics: resists

[Smedy]

Good topic, hope someone with knowledge and access and time to fix it reads it though.

I played during velious era so i don't know shit about kunark, but root or blind wasn't an issue for me at 120mr on velious atleast.

[SamwiseRed]

blind should def not be an issue at 120 mr lul

root should be like 5% chance at 140

[Tomatoking]

Originally Posted by Handpartytowel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what happens when you cast a fire / ice/ poison nuke on someone with 0,50,100,200,300 fr?
what about mr nukes?
what about roots without dmg?
what about roots with dmg?
how did mez resists work?
whirl?
cleric / wiz stun?
mr dots?
fr / pr / dr dots?
how do partial vs full resists work for these situations?
for cc spells how is partial duration calculated

*edit* nigron posted much while i was typing this out, assume all is answered. others are welcome to chime in here too.

does not matter what anyone posts , confirms , says


Staff

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Why should you?

[Handpartytowel]

Spell:Gasping Embrace (47)
Resist: Magic
PVP Resists(base): -42 <- ten levels lower
PVP Resist(Max): -57 <- ten levels higher then caster
PVP Resist calc: 133< number to beat the spell's effect out-right

result:
1.) target is 10 levels lower, -57 is their starting point. so they would need a 190 Magic resist to outright resist the spell
2.) target is 10 levels higher, -42 is their starting point. so they would need a 175 Magic resist to outright resist the spell.

what are pvp resists(base) and pvp resists (max)? i see that they are properties of the spell and somehow relate to the caster v target level difference, but you dont explain this at all.

so basically we apply the resist mod for the spell(in this case 0), something to do with resist base and max to the target's mr, and if that value is >= resist calc (133), we get full resist.

with the exception of unresistable spells, in PVP there is a 10.5% chance to resist the spell if you do not meet the saving value.
conversely there is a 5.25% chance of the spell landing anyway -- Dr. Nirgon's note, again if you do not meet the saving value, otherwise it will not land if you meet the value no matter what!!! AKA - 164 magic resist means 0 roots ever, not 5.25%. A naked can resist, for instance, conflagaration 5.25% of the time... but not lure of frost.
with damaging spells the power of them or "how hard they hit" if they land is directly correlated to how close they came to the number. minimum of 25% dmg."

if we dont get full resist, there is still a 10.5% chance to resist, but 5.25% chance of spell landing AFTER you make the 10.5% check for it to be resisted? but not lures? honestly this paragraph is unreadable.

[Tomatoking]

Originally Posted by Handpartytowel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what are pvp resists(base) and pvp resists (max)? i see that they are properties of the spell and somehow relate to the caster v target level difference, but you dont explain this at all.

so basically we apply the resist mod for the spell(in this case 0), something to do with resist base and max to the target's mr, and if that value is >= resist calc (133), we get full resist.



if we dont get full resist, there is still a 10.5% chance to resist, but 5.25% chance of spell landing AFTER you make the 10.5% check for it to be resisted? but not lures? honestly this paragraph is unreadable.

after your investigation make sure you submit your report to rogean so he can put it in his folder labeled HAHAHAHAH

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[Handpartytowel]

Originally Posted by Tomatoking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

does not matter what anyone posts , confirms , says


Staff

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Care

Why should you?

not sure yet. maybe if i fix this on my own server and give the staff the code they will implement it on p99.

[Tomatoking]

not likely

but if you can release a pvp server with proper resist code , people would play on it

[Handpartytowel]

Originally Posted by Tomatoking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not likely

but if you can release a pvp server with proper resist code , people would play on it

believe me, i know that there is between little and no hope of anything worthwhile ever getting fixed on this server, but i am still interested in learning how the mechanics should work. in addition, if we can give the non-existent devs a logical model to translate into code, it just makes their job easier.

[Pudge]

i think the current system is fine except for partials, and some specific things like blind, mage pet root, etc.

root doesnt land that often, and has an additional chance to break when you take damage. i dont know what all the cry is about

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i did always like the idea of resists scaling with the era to match gear though. so during classic say you'd need 80 FR to partial 25% of the time, 110 to partial the same amount in kunark, 140 the same in velious. (or something similar, you get the idea). But no reason to worry about this now, because velious is out on the horizon.. somewhere

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Handpartytowel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but not lures?

Or tash/malo/mala etc.

Point being, a naked person (aka 25hp) still has a flat out chance to completely resist the spell even though they don't meet the saving value. Yes, even with wizard -10 modifier.