Game Mechanics: Feign death and spells

[Szeth]

Again that post above uses the term "hit" by a spell. If your spell is unsuccessful did you then "miss"?

Also, I think dispels break feign here but I could be wrong.

[Fazlazen]

but it also says that ANY SPELLS would break the FD...or are you implying that a CH doesnt hit you ?

As to your "hit" vs "miss" argument, I think the spell still hits you, whether you resist it or not. I think the spell misses you when the spell is interrupted, for various possible reasons, i.e. out of range, bash, etc. This is my interpretation of what the quoted posters mean when they say "hit".

[Pudge]

sorry but this is wrong. maybe it was that way in 2004, 2005, or 2006, but i played classic through velious and remember being very relieved when i resisted a nuke after FDing. i don't know about monk FD but this is how casted fd worked.

[Pudge]

treats, from your own link at http://www.eqnecro.net/board/viewtop...ish_rel=-10000:

FD and Spell Resist
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Author: KwanX [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:06 pm ] #1
Post subject: FD and Spell Resist
Post number: #1
Some months ago, a patch was made that made FD fail wether you resist the spell or not...Major Bummer..I must have bugged this 30+ times with no reply/response.

Low and behold DoD comes out and we have the "willful death" aa that gives you a chance to stay FD when you resist a spell.

I think is pretty lame that they take away something and then sell it back as aa's...

any thoughts?
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stop tryina gimp my class dawg


edit: o i see i was already beaten to it. good work

[Szeth]

Hi-Five Rais, we won one for the good guys!

[Fazlazen]

2005 ? Check out these 2 posts:

from http://test.monkly-business.net/foru...3B+feign+death

1. Better PoP AAs, please! Dual wield counterpart to ferocity or maybe Stalwart Endurance. Something to do with FD would be nicer, like reduced feign failure rate or spells (resisted, or chance on unresisted) not breaking feign. Hand to hand mastery is something we'd like to see as well.

For me, the MAIN area to look at is in our POP AA, as I've mentioned before. We get 3, other classes are getting 5-6. We get 1 mostly useless one, 1 that is sort of useful in surviving pulling, and one that increases damage somewhat. Where's our really interesting and useful ones? Hell, where's some of the ones warriors get? How about a POP AA that is the dual wield counterpart to Ferocity? I mean, we get dual wield before anyone else, we get more max skill points in it per level than anyone else, why SHOULDN'T there be an AA for it? How about getting the one warriors get, Stalwart Endurance, which lets you resist stuns, no matter which direction. How much would it help pulling if you could resist half the stuns from the mobs beating on you? Or heck, how about *ANY* AA's that have anything to do with our true class defining ability, Feign Death? How about an AA to lower our feign fail rate, even by a small percentage? How about one that at least gives us a chance to maintain feign if we're hit by a spell we resist? Hell, dream of dreams, how about a AA that gives us even a 10% chance to stay feigned on a spell we DON'T resist?

from http://test.monkly-business.net/foru...3B+feign+death

Feign Tips:



Always turn off your auto attack before you Feign.

Wait for an enemy caster’s spell to hit you before you Feign.

Use walls and line-of-sight to help split up multiple casters.

Teach your healer / buffer / bard when it's ok to cast on you. Lots of times a Song, Heal, or Buff cast on you right as or after you feign can cause all the creatures on you to go after the caster of the spell.

Make sure YOU are the only one pulling. Two pullers not working together can cause lots of trouble.

Know what your group can handle. Sometimes it's ok to bring more than one back.

Make sure you know everyone's mana status, especially Healers.

Make sure your Healers know if you have Mend recycled or not. You will have to use it sometimes on a pull that's not going well.

Instill Doubt – Level 18, skill cap (level +1) * 5

[Rais]

Only guide I can find that is before Planes of Power that all your links show.

http://web.archive.org/web/200004072...eignguide.php3


04-07-2000 Only mentions

Wait for an enemy casters spell to hit you before you Feign
Use walls and line-of-sight to help split up multiple casters

No mention of resists, but does mention corners and splitting casters due to LoS. Does this mean Line of Sight also blocks spells during this time frame now?

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No mention of resists, but does mention corners and splitting casters due to LoS. Does this mean Line of Sight also blocks spells during this time frame now?

NPC's will still finish their current cast if you run around a corner. This tactic allowed you time to feign without worrying about the NPC's starting another cast and breaking it. They had to have you in their Line of Sight to begin another spell.

NPC starts cast
NPC starts cast
Monk runs around corner
NPC spell hits Monk
NPC spell hits Monk
NPC's run after Monk to get Line of Sight again (Cannot cast)
Monk feigns

It's going to be very difficult to find any evidence without that message (You are no longer feigning death because a spell hit you). There is just no way to tell from a log what the monk is doing without it.

I've tried searching through here without any luck but there are a lot of old posts regarding feign death:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...rch+this+group

This was included in the last patch also by Rogean. Maybe he has some better evidence than me, I don't know.

Rogean: Mob AE's hitting a Feign Death player will no longer add them to the aggro list. (It will still break FD)

[Pudge]

"wait for it to hit you" is not the same as "even if you resist a spell your feign will break"

"wait for it to hit you" even implies that you will be HIT; that they expect you will not resist the spell. likely the ppl the guide/info is for have 0 resists. ppl rarely stacked resists on blue servers. and it's easier to instruct noobs to wait for the spell to hit before flopping, as opposed to explaining the actual mechanics

[Vohl]

Resisted spells did break FD for the first few years of EQ. The only NPC spells that did not break FD were dispels, which stripped buffs as normal, but left FD intact.