Casters vs Melee THE TRUTH (SCREENSHOTS + INFO)

[Smedy]

Ouch, good post, i'll drop my new found wisdom @ null

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole point of this thread is just to show that melee's aren't some baby sheep walking around while all casters are wolfs.

You have 0 PvP server experience so you totally overlook the fact that casters are usually coming at you in duos or more.

On Sullon Zek, you would see <Darkenbane> duos of wizard/druid everywhere. On VZTZ, you would have 6 mages attacking you all at the same time. Your little screen shots here are nothing like real world PvP.

How much HP does a monk have? Like 1500? Now imagine being sync dumped by two ice comets.

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything. Let's not forget that pure melee won't even see the caster coming with no see invis item. Half the time you'll probably be standing there fighting an NPC then a wizard de-cloaks behind you and you instantly explode.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can see what FR he had on the screenshots and that is LOW FR. FR is the easiest resist to get in the game. 4 COMET? Who? You gotta be kidding me, no one can do 4 COMET if they wanna be able to USE A SINGLE OTHER SPELL you dumbshit. Can't you see how many Crowd control spells I need to use to even land anything on him? You wouldn't even be able to use 4 COMET if you have 2k mana and no one will have 2k mana. You make it sound like I can stand and spam 4x 6.3 SECOND SPELLS on anyone in this game lol. To land 4 comet you need like 1k mana of CC. You're an idiot and it seems you know nothing about PVP beside posting bullshit. Either you're just an BEYOND awful player who fail at every class you play or you have no freaking clue about anything.

I've had fights vs 50 monks and 50 warriors on the beta and it's EXACTLY THE SAME THING. The monk will lose some HP then he use mend and I'm oom and this is in an outdoor situation. The Warrior LOL? I'm not even close to doing 100% of his HP alone. Just getting 3 Ice comet on a target outdoor is almost impossible. It won't even happen at all if they got Jboots. You can outrun the cast so fucking easily and it takes forever to keep anyone snared and rooted that many times for you to even land 3 Ice comet. Running away from a solo person is so fucking easy as a melee in EQ. The only people I actually kill when I jump them is other INT/WIS classes cause they die in 1x comet and a small nuke and if they don't do that then they can also flee easily.

You can talk about group pvp as well. If you outnumber someone then you will kill them no matter what class they are. It doesn't matter if they are a Necro stuck in Karana or a Rogue, both will die like a little bitch.

clearly you don't know how to ambush from the top of a tree and blast the helpless melees into submission

if they retreat/you are oom.. gate or yonder and reload

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have 0 PvP server experience so you totally overlook the fact that casters are usually coming at you in duos or more.

On Sullon Zek, you would see <Darkenbane> duos of wizard/druid everywhere. On VZTZ, you would have 6 mages attacking you all at the same time. Your little screen shots here are nothing like real world PvP.

How much HP does a monk have? Like 1500? Now imagine being sync dumped by two ice comets.

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything.

I probably have more PVP experience on this beta alone then you have over your full EQ career and It's 2011 experience. Not some 2001 experience when no one knew how to play at all.

Yes of course two wizards will drop a Monk if they find him in the middle of Karana. But just 1 little wizard will drop a druid/shaman/necro and many other classes all alone. I'm proof of that cause I'm doing it non stop on this beta easily. Even winning 1v2 vs other INT/WIS users, sometimes even 1v3 as long no melee is involved it's all possible. The second a melee is on me it all goes to shit. So melee's seem to be overpowered in this case and nothing else.

Just let me get this right. So to prevent a zerg of people being able to kill one person you want to change the whole system so it totally ruins Solo pvp, group pvp and raid pvp? If you actually played in 18v18 Test of Tactics pvp you would realize that it was the lamest pvp that has ever been seen in any MMO. You had 18 people in each time, all groups had a bard and everyone was 100% immune to all spells and CC. You had 20 minutes+ fights and at most 1-3 people died in each fight. REALLY GOOD PVP WITH CLASSIC SYSTEM YES YES.. Not.

[Cymbal]

This post is laughable.

First, you claim to have evidence supporting melee. So I'm like ok... maybe she fought some1? maybe it was a close fight? -ill check it out.

You post a CONVERSATION with an ogre sk? are you kidding me? thats like the one of the best classes u can pick for this server. So I was like what the hell ill look at what these fools were talking about. During the conv he ADMITS HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOU.

This post doesn't even do what u set out for, it actually does the opposite, and makes u look like a retard at the same time.

Your guide on pvp is attrocious. How is that there is only 2 categories? Strong classes vs rog? i asure u that everyone in category 1 are not equal.

What a waste of time.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by gloinz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

clearly you don't know how to ambush from the top of a tree and blast the helpless melees into submission

if they retreat/you are oom.. gate or yonder and reload

Thanks but I know how to destroy anyone in a 1v1 with playing any class vs any class combo. But it wouldn't show how the average EQ player plays. This is not a showcase of how well someone play or a showcase how well someone use utility items. It's a showcase how strong just a AFK melee is. And how strong they are in a 1v1 when no one uses utility items.

Like I always say I'm up for a 1v1 vs ANYONE ON BETA ANY DAY and I'm 99.9% sure I'd win every single one and if you don't think so then you can challenge me and prove me wrong.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by Cymbal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post is laughable.

First, you claim to have evidence supporting melee. So I'm like ok... maybe she fought some1? maybe it was a close fight? -ill check it out.

You post a CONVERSATION with an ogre sk? are you kidding me? thats like the one of the best classes u can pick for this server. So I was like what the hell ill look at what these fools were talking about. During the conv he ADMITS HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOU.

This post doesn't even do what u set out for, it actually does the opposite, and makes u look like a retard at the same time.

Your guide on pvp is attrocious. How is that there is only 2 categories? Strong classes vs rog? i asure u that everyone in category 1 are not equal.

What a waste of time.

You're a fucking idiot. This post wouldn't make a difference if it was a ROGUE or a SK. It's showing what resists he has and how much damage I'm doing and how my mana is after that fight. He is a AFK target with XXX resist and HP that's it.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything. Let's not forget that pure melee won't even see the caster coming with no see invis item. Half the time you'll probably be standing there fighting an NPC then a wizard de-cloaks behind you and you instantly explode.

This is probably accurate.

[Lovely]

I'm thinking about what I can do to shut you people up.

Does anyone here on beta got a 50 rogue, 50 monk or 50 Warrior with Jboots that I can borrow? If you do please PM me.

If I manage to get one I'm up for a 1v1 vs any of you forum crybabies. Hopefully you got a Caster that you say is so OP. Whoever zones or dies shut up forever.

[gloinz]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks but I know how to destroy anyone in a 1v1 with playing any class vs any class combo. But it wouldn't show how the average EQ player plays. This is not a showcase of how well someone play or a showcase how well someone use utility items. It's a showcase how strong just a AFK melee is. And how strong they are in a 1v1 when no one uses utility items.

Like I always say I'm up for a 1v1 vs ANYONE ON BETA ANY DAY and I'm 99.9% sure I'd win every single one and if you don't think so then you can challenge me and prove me wrong.

well the pvp champ would destroy you 1v1 with a dwarf paladin with a rusty shield and a rusty sword, but alas i didn't take the time to level on beta but i do appreciate your efforts you get the devs attention on things like this which i do agree need fixing

Can't you see how many Crowd control spells I need to use to even land anything on him? You wouldn't even be able to use 4 COMET if you have 2k mana and no one will have 2k mana. You make it sound like I can stand and spam 4x 6.3 SECOND SPELLS on anyone in this game lol. To land 4 comet you need like 1k mana of CC

this alone proves you need some serious coaching if you spend 1k mana on cc'ing
you gotta a lot of heart rocky but you gotta pump the jab or big
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