Proposition to Improve Badain Sock

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with Option 1 is that it's not too different than the current system -- you're just arbitrarily replacing clicking with rolling. We're still all standing around.

The problem with Option 2 is that when you win the roll you have no idea if you'll have the force to kill Badain when he actually spawns unless you're in AM. Not sure AM loves the idea of starting a ring war at 4am, but it's reasonable to assume they could do so. I'm not that certain of any other guild or alliance.

There needs to be an option 3. Bring back the rotation.



Back when you were in a casual leveling guild, ring wars were rotated. AM voted yes. I'm not sure if it was an easy vote, but it was a yes nonetheless. Why not now?

Yeah I don't think option 1 is ideal but it seems like an improvement over what we have currently for the reasons I listed. As for your objection to option 2, it's a legitimate complaint and something that might have to be ironed out. If you can't muster a force on spawn, it could either be

A) you have 8 hours to trigger the event, else it becomes FFA

B) you have 20 minutes to trigger the event, else it becomes FFA

The first allows smaller guilds time for people to wake up. The second pretty much says you snooze you lose. I would be fine with either.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=242383

I remember rotating Ring Wars and not rolling or spam clicking to turn in.

Welcome back, sweet thing.

[Heebs13]

As for 'bring back a rotation', that has to be left up to the various guild leaders. My plan was to put this up to a vote and see what wins. So far looks like most people like the poopsock clickfest. If that wins I'll leave this to someone else to figure out.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference with Badain is it requires a coordinated raid force of 40-60 people who can mobilise within 20-30 minutes.

It's not like the other rolls where you can solo or single group the content if you win.

That, plus it's not just for Ring 10. There's a bag full of items the encounter awards you. The other rolls are just for individual items.

Easiest no vote since Manasana applied to Aftermath.

Require the winner of the roll to have a sufficient raid force present before starting.

Bedain spawns, rollers go, winner Batphones their guild (or friends)....maybe give 1 hour or 30 min max after roll that the gather time is up and award the turn in to the second highest roller or just allow FFA turn in at this point if the original winner cannot gather a force.

Is one way to handle this fake “barrier”.

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back when you were in a casual leveling guild, ring wars were rotated. AM voted yes. I'm not sure if it was an easy vote, but it was a yes nonetheless. Why not now?

Twice you've brought up my history in a casual guild before I joined Aftermath. Not sure why that's relevant, or if you expected me to join the server and jump straight into a high end raid guild while still XPing on fire beetles?

To answer your question, the problem with rotations is everyone wants a slice of the free loot pie. When ring war was rotated before it was between 3 entities, so your turn came round soon enough.

This time would probably have AEGIS/AG/AM/BG/C/Kittens/PS all vying for a slot and it would take too long between individual slots to be worthwhile for most involved.

Does anyone enjoy a clickfest? No. Does anyone enjoy 16 hour variance? No. But EverQuest has always been tedious; sometimes you just have to suck it up, or find a game which you find more enjoyable.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twice you've brought up my history in a casual guild before I joined Aftermath. Not sure why that's relevant, or if you expected me to join the server and jump straight into a high end raid guild while still XPing on fire beetles?

To answer your question, the problem with rotations is everyone wants a slice of the free loot pie. When ring war was rotated before it was between 3 entities, so your turn came round soon enough.

This time would probably have AEGIS/AG/AM/BG/C/Kittens/PS all vying for a slot and it would take too long between individual slots to be worthwhile for most involved.

Does anyone enjoy a clickfest? No. Does anyone enjoy 16 hour variance? No. But EverQuest has always been tedious; sometimes you just have to suck it up, or find a game which you find more enjoyable.

Two of those guilds on your list are becoming 1 and if Kittens/BG shared we re looking at only 5 slots which really isnt that crazy considering we’re in year 4 of Velious when we had a 3 slot rotation crafted during year 1.

If Bedain had his variance lowered to say 8 hours or even like 4, then it would be more workable while still keeping it FFA as its hard to keep a raid force on call for 16 hours.

[Kayso2]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twice you've brought up my history in a casual guild before I joined Aftermath. Not sure why that's relevant, or if you expected me to join the server and jump straight into a high end raid guild while still XPing on fire beetles?

Because you post with such condescension to the people in other guilds. Like some hobo who wins the lottery and two weeks later thinks he's a du Pont or a Rockefeller. Classless.

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two of those guilds on your list are becoming 1 and if Kittens/BG shared we re looking at only 5 slots which really isnt that crazy considering we’re in year 4 of Velious when we had a 3 slot rotation crafted during year 1.

Monrezz, I'll add to the above that maybe some of the other four (not AM) might be willing to go every other time or something. You never know until you talk to them. Or better yet, send someone who isn't so smug to talk to them.

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you post with such condescension to the people in other guilds.

Where?

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monrezz, I'll add to the above that maybe some of the other four (not AM) might be willing to go every other time or something. You never know until you talk to them.

Feel free to reach out to those other guilds yourself; AM is perfectly happy with the current system so we're not the ones pushing for change.

Originally Posted by Kayso2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or better yet, send someone who isn't so smug to talk to them.

This isn't RnF.

[Vallaen]

Hmm can we have another option so the people that dont win the roll wins something.

[planarity]

roll, rotation, anything is better than a clickfest.

Roll isn't a perfect solution, but some of these arguments against it ("have some self-respect [lol irony]", "this is multiple items, but others rolls are one item", etc.) are so bad that I couldn't have made them up if I wanted to.

Keep in mind the average forum user does not represent the playerbase as a whole. It's hard to combat the toxic, forum-obsessed crowd because they get in early and often to threads like this one.