Game Mechanics: Dartain the Lost

[planarity]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are aware that almost no evidence exists regarding this mob (so far as I can tell) and they built him / his drop table mostly on their own?

He didn't even appear in Everlore or Allakhazam bestiary databases until 2002, a bit before the hole revamp.

However if there is a plethora of evidence out there that disagrees with what I posted, feel free to prove me wrong.

Well in particular, his current incarnation is pretty damn MR (unmezzable with regular mezzes, even with tash). I don't know how much more MR he could be while still being "almost" fully MR. I don't think I could land slow on him either. Maybe the occasional root.

[Pint]

I agree with tecmos, you have 2 very short posts that say he is 'almost' fully mr.. that means nothing, there is no context, it could have been a lvl50 cleric trying to stun him or a 60 shaman trying to slow him, theres a huge difference. Currently on my 60 shaman dartain is very mr if you dont tash and malo him, how can you base this change off such poor information.

The first guy doesn't even remember the npcs name!

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate the work the devs do on this project as much as anyone. But ... you really changed him based on two random, vague, not-exceptionally-reliable comments made by a single poster?

Do you have 2 random vague comments saying he should not be MR to refute this? Typically if there is mention of something that specific, such as being MR, there was a reason for it.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have 2 random vague comments saying he should not be MR to refute this? Typically if there is mention of something that specific, such as being MR, there was a reason for it.

No, I don't.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, I just always got the impression that changes to p99 were made based on strong evidence, so when I saw an immediate "fixed, pending update" in response to someone of unknown level in an unknown situation making a "hey bro, he's RM" comment... I was a bit surprised.

As far as Dartain has been on p99, he's immune to stuns and mezzes (I think I recall loraen having rapture resist and it leading to his death during one of his solo challenge attempts) even though he's only level 55 (he hits for 160 anyway, so I assume he's 55). He resists about like drusella or a crypt named iirc, or at least he did when I did him a year ago or more for solo challenge.

[Daldaen]

I'm pretty sure if you look through the Solo Artists Thread quite a few mentions are made of rooting and slowing him.

[Alunova]

Dardain is reported to be in a locked room in the basement of the undead tower. Door is a rock, requires 201 picklock to open. Will take a couple groups around lvl 60 to get down there and keep it safe, undead tower is much much harder since revamp. Very hard hiting mobs, unslowable, unmezzable, greater density, etc.

There is almost no information available here, when there is nothing usable we go with what we have, even if it's vague. It's post revamp but follows the same trend.

[Tecmos Deception]

Eh. I guess it's just me generally feeling like most comments from back in the day were being made by teenagers who stacked agility on their warriors, people who were raiding places like the hole with 3 groups of level 49s playing on dialup without VOIP, etc etc. So when I see a comment about how something was "almost fully MR" with no elaboration on the levels or situation, I assume the situation was more likely a level 51 druid who got killed after he tried to snare a new add in the fight and less likely a level 60 shaman getting 80% slow resists after tash+malo.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#2. He should drop 2 items off his loot table:

Now has a chance to drop 2 items and a slight chance to drop nothing.

[Daldaen]

Interesting... Slight chance to drop nothing was added for any specific reason? Or to just offset the double dropping change?

And Tecmos I have no doubts that the quote is not from a 60 shaman using a tash stick weaponized puppet stringed pet and a Malosini. However it does state that he is basically MR, and even if there is minimal evidence, I think the devs would only be making this change if it makes the game a bit harder.

If there were minimal evidence and it was saying he should be a pansy and hit for only 90 or never having an issue sticking a spell, I don't think they would've changed this.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting... Slight chance to drop nothing was added for any specific reason? Or to just offset the double dropping change?

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whenever there is conflicting or absent data we will almost always veer toward the more annoying/difficult option. This slightly combats the fact that players know most of the mechanics and nearly every drop and strategy is documented somewhere.

an unfortunate trend with p99, which imo does not always make for more classic feels