Ever be a 3rd guild?

[Biaxil]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with a third "raiding" guild, is that the server can't support it. Right now, even after the big push by Nihilum to get all the vets back, we're barely hitting 50, and a good number of that 50 are euros and people who can only play for a couple of hours "primetime" before needing to dip. That number is BARELY workable for Velious PvE on a blue server, let alone a red server where you need to defend the mobs, etc.

Factor in the constant turn over from burn out / defections, and you can see why it's almost impossible for a third guild to thrive.

However, if your goals are to be a smaller guild that snipes some targets, it can work with far fewer numbers, but keep in mind you'll be constantly losing people to Az and Nilly as people will jump ship for the easiest pixel express, particularly when those velious pixels start getting linked in OOC. Blue has 10x the pop and can only support a couple of true Class A or w/e the fuck they're called raiding guilds, so it's 10x worse on red.

Thanks, this pretty much answers my question.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That number is BARELY workable for Velious PvE on a blue server

I saw a 38 man Yelinak kill on live.

It wasn't my guild but.

If you guys are going to be the best Velious raid guild of all time (some believe Nihilum is the best pve guild of all time in EQ or something), that's your # to beat.

Charming a bunch of shit wasn't used in that strat on live either (didn't hold remotely as well as it does here).

I will even give props for a 44-45 man kill but until then you're just the best raiding guild on red.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with a third "raiding" guild, is that the server can't support it. Right now, even after the big push by Nihilum to get all the vets back, we're barely hitting 50, and a good number of that 50 are euros and people who can only play for a couple of hours "primetime" before needing to dip. That number is BARELY workable for Velious PvE on a blue server, let alone a red server where you need to defend the mobs, etc.

Factor in the constant turn over from burn out / defections, and you can see why it's almost impossible for a third guild to thrive.

However, if your goals are to be a smaller guild that snipes some targets, it can work with far fewer numbers, but keep in mind you'll be constantly losing people to Az and Nilly as people will jump ship for the easiest pixel express, particularly when those velious pixels start getting linked in OOC. Blue has 10x the pop and can only support a couple of true Class A or w/e the fuck they're called raiding guilds, so it's 10x worse on red.

Good sum up. My hope is that the numbers keep climbing up. Im leveling an alt and i see alot of new players who im grouping with, starting out on the server. I think the pre-velious buzz will be a great time for a group effort in passing the word on other gaming forums about red99. The more the population grows, the more its an incentive for new people to say hey this looks fun ill try it.

I think its healthy for everyone for the server to grow like this and ill be going out of my way to help the new people on the server settle in. I gave a 100p to someone after leveling with him in Kurns, ported him to BB and bound him near Lfay for that Mistmoore grouping and he was hyped about the server. Hope to see this snowball.

[Rettj]

Flowers Nilly Az only options

[FaithlessKR]

Pop can currently sustain more than 2 guilds. However come velious our pop can only sustain 2 guilds, and if it gets up to 200 then possibly 3.

[Jib]

so many more options than nilly or az

[Biaxil]

Originally Posted by Jib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so many more options than nilly or az

only other guild ive seen much of is Flowers, but twinking to kill noobs all day isn't really what I play for.

[heartbrand]

The only way I could see a third guild working here is with a TREMENDOUS amount of effort, a huge grass roots movement, 24/7 recruitment, tons of fresh blood, etc. I tried this with Red Dawn and running the guild was a 9-5 job. It would take an individual with that level of dedication in order to pull it off. Unfortunately, even with that, you're still going to lose people to burn out and the other two guilds. It would be a huge amount of work.

[Biaxil]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way I could see a third guild working here is with a TREMENDOUS amount of effort, a huge grass roots movement, 24/7 recruitment, tons of fresh blood, etc. I tried this with Red Dawn and running the guild was a 9-5 job. It would take an individual with that level of dedication in order to pull it off. Unfortunately, even with that, you're still going to lose people to burn out and the other two guilds. It would be a huge amount of work.

I ran a guild for a year on Darkfall Online. I know what you mean by it being a job. I don't have the time/drive for that anymore. I just want to be in a guild and have fun.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way I could see a third guild working here is with a TREMENDOUS amount of effort, a huge grass roots movement, 24/7 recruitment, tons of fresh blood, etc. I tried this with Red Dawn and running the guild was a 9-5 job. It would take an individual with that level of dedication in order to pull it off. Unfortunately, even with that, you're still going to lose people to burn out and the other two guilds. It would be a huge amount of work.

I think the problem with Red Dawn was you trying to do everything yourself. The two established guilds essentially self-recruit, since the average player knows who to turn to for whatever it is they are looking for post-50. A third guild needs a better division of labor that at LEAST includes an experienced leader AND a dedicated recruiting officer. I think you did a solid job recruiting for Red Dawn, but the weight of actually running and maintaining the guild was too much on top of finding bodies.

So Biaxil, if you want to put in the work building a 3rd guild it's a long road, but possible. If not, you know your good buddy Fawq is waiting for you in Azrael!