Questioning GM Decisions

[Envious]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What most of us can agree on:

If they had just stuck to their rules and banned all the accounts, we would:

1) Still have Uthgaard.
2) See minimal impact on server population (apparent now)
3) 95% of the drama over the past week would not exist.
4) Still have tags /cryface
5) Not have several high level cheaters returning with their equipment and be back to level 60 in less time than they were suspended and laughing quietly inside knowing that they cheated and got a slap on the wrist while many others were permantly banned for lesser offenses.
6) Gotten rid of people (cheaters) most of the population has no desire to see around at all.

Had to read another couple pages... drama is always fun stuff.

As for Hasbinbad, its hard to get a true gauge for the feeling of a issue based purely on private communication. You need an open forum to discuss those things, and that is the point of the boards. If the server staff made a mistake, openly is the place to have the discussion about it.

Keeping things private and veiled is what will ultimately break P99. We saw this 5x on VZ/TZ with 3 or 4 completely different sets of players. Transparency is the best policy, pure and simple. And you have to create a set of rules, and hold to them like a crack fiend holds onto his last rock.

[Nirgon]

Not like we can point a finger back at the players for ivandyr hooping mobs and not agreeing to a boss kill rotation or anything. That doesn't screw anything up.

It's always the fault of "Blizz"/"Trion"/"Whoever", it's never, ever the scum bag community that screws up the... community... wait.. I see ... what I did there.

[Vile]

out the hackers and ban them.

/end thread

[Labyrrinth]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not like we can point a finger back at the players for ivandyr hooping mobs and not agreeing to a boss kill rotation or anything. That doesn't screw anything up.

It's always the fault of "Blizz"/"Trion"/"Whoever", it's never, ever the scum bag community that screws up the... community... wait.. I see ... what I did there.

You're misconstruing things.
Using what's available to take down a mob isn't the problem. If it's not meant to be it'll be changed. If it's considered an exploit, then that communication needs to happen so that everyone is aware.

Not agreeing to rotations isnt' the problem.
Would an overall agreement make things easier for all involved? Of course it would. But that wasn't the issue here.

The issue was a decision made on how to punish cheaters and hackers. A decision that wasn't in line with how other cheaters and hackers have been punished in the past. Some people it seems, feel that the GM's decision on this matter shouldn't be questioned or looked at more closely, while there are others that feel quite differently on the subject.

[mitic]

i got teh solution!

enforce boss rotation on blue99
if you dont like that, join red99

[Francois]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Community anger isn't directed at Nilbog and Rogean, and the few that question their integrity are dolts. If anything, they should be the ones most infuriated about what unscrupulous people have done to their project. The ones cheating were making a mockery of Project99.

That's just not true. People are upset about a suspension being issued instead of a ban, wiping plat and not items, people crying foul for the lack of raid suspensions, there have been several threads spewing hate about Uthgaard, several more about Xzerion, etc.

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

out the hackers and ban them.

/end thread

Go ahead and read a thread before you post, that should keep you on topic.

[G13]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, I'm not confused at all. The opening premise of this post surely covers the 365 cheater episode. You may be referring to more than that in some of your posts, but it matters not to me. What I see here is a bunch of arm chair lawyering and people wanting absolute fairness in a system that is not a democracy. Considering the amount of absolute power that Rogean and staff has, I think they administer things pretty reasonably.

You completely ignored my points in the previous post. Please read it again. 364 accounts are irrelevant to my main point.

Your dramatic, "black and white" attitude towards a gray world does not impress me either. I have much more reason to trust in what Rogean says and does than to put faith and trust in what you say, whom I don't even know anything about. I don't care one whit about guild squabbles, and you impress me as someone who probably has a guild-based motivation at the root of your reasons for posting in these matters. If that is incorrect, my apologies.

You're doing nothing more than ignoring the facts that have been presented to you, and are now engaging in projection and hyperbole. The fact of the matter is the rules have not been enforced equally. All I care about are the rules being enforced equally across the board. Otherwise this is just a corrupt box.

As for "spinning it emotionally" - I have no idea why you think I am emotional about this. I am very calm and matter of fact. It seems to me that you are the one with the emotional investment.

You are not making a logical argument. You are not using any past precedent to back up your opinions with facts and logic. You are offering your opinion. Nothing more. Past events on this server have set the precedent on how development responds to guild leadership CHEATING during competitive raids. You can try and dress up your opinion any way you want. It's irrelavent in the face of the facts.

One guild was raid suspended for their leadership using a 3rd party program

One was not

Those are the facts. Not your opinion. Fact.

Buttom line: yeah I still trust Rogean and definitely I trust his assertions more than yours. No offense, but he and his associates have given me EQ back. What have you done for me?

This is purely emotional. Not logical. You're ignoring facts and siding with someone because they "gave you your EQ back".

[Banai]

Just ban all the poopsocking morons and be done with it

[Durison]

I can tell you that it was a rough time when Dark Ascension was suspended for a week when a one member was caught using MQ in Lower Guk, while our raid force was in Sol B. Dark Ascension was also referred to as a guild who harboured cheaters by the staff, and during this time a guide allowed for the ALT's of IB to create a guild called Dark Suspension. Very Mature~

It's ironic how the tables have turned.

In memory of DA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmBBNFzWN9k

[Barkingturtle]

I read the first post. That's all. Here is what I think of it:

Between the cheating, half-assed punishments, and disdain for dissenting opinions, well, new players should be scared of this server. And frankly, as a member of a community one has a responsibility to question the decisions of its leaders when those decisions are, for whatever reason, unpredictable and inconsistent. Of course, they've said before that this is their place and theirs alone, players be damned, but that rings a bit hollow when multitudes of cheaters go on playing because they've become an entity too big to fail. Like CitiGroup, but with more back acne.

Personally, I won't participate in a server where cheaters are allowed to keep playing, nor will I participate in discussions where I am selectively censored in order to dupe prospective players into joining what they think is a server not suffering these ills.

This thread is as vile a piece of propaganda as it accuses others of perpetrating. It is blatant trolling and should be moved to RnF else it is lent credibility. I would question why it hasn't been moved already, but I'm not sure to whom I would pose the query without offending Hasbin's gentle sensibilities.