Questioning GM Decisions

[Daldolma]

ITT: people who think their opinions matter more than they do.

This is Nilbog and Rogean's server. They've made their decision. They've explained their decision. They've read days' worth of gripes about their decision. Nothing you post for the 27th time is going to change their mind. Civil discussion over the situation is fine. The discussion over the punishments has been had and run into the ground half a dozen times over already. Nothing new is being said. You're not a snowflake. If you feel that you have something super duper important that Nilbog and Rogean absolutely must hear before they lift the suspensions, make your way over to the petition forum and fill them in. Otherwise, your clear intent is to be subversive, ultimately deteriorating the quality of the server.

And yes, even if you have the best intentions in mind, if you're continually griping about a decision without going through the proper channels, you are intentionally being subversive. Regardless, HBB's post isn't even directed at those offenders, as far as I can tell. I think HBB is pretty much just referring to the forum trolls and butthurt ex-DA that have been calling for TR blood for a week straight, every minute on the minute.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 account =/= 1 person.

id wish nilbog/rogean would release a list. this would be just fair for all parties concerned (tmo/tr/uthgaard/etc...), especialy since the banhammer wasnt taken out.

[Daldolma]

Oh, and just for the record, I think everyone caught cheating should have been banned -- or stripped of all gear at the very least. But like I said, those opinions have been heard ad nauseum already. The decision is made. I've moved on. You can, too.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Hasbinbad your post isn't designed to show people the way to influence GMs and get what they want by posting in a more constructive manner. If you wanted positive change you would address what led to all of this. IN GAME actions. The rules were created due to the actions of a few against a server of many. The raid guilds at the 'top' acting like assholes for so long all of the red tape was created more red tape on top of red tape. I stand by that the manner to fix the problem was to go to the core of the issue, the behavior in game. Because if that was working as it should all of the stuff you complain about wouldn't exist. You preach about posting in a manner so as not to have things look negative here but ignore the acting in a manner to achieve the same.

All the raid guilds on top whomever had to do was not create what we have now. The atmosphere and environment a very small percentage of the population has created is the problem. I would say the people who are up in arms right now care more about the server's reputation and health more then you say to. When IB or TR got to the top with no 'competition' it would have been easy to affect change. Yet greed and arrogance led us to this. You claim people have the same chance due to fair play and fair competition but it isn't. Ever see those commercials where the kids get the run around from the banker, the ally bank commercials? Here is one you can youtube the rest.

It is wrong

It is wrong

It is cause and effect. What will happen in society if times get tougher and now their kids are starving? Protests. Crime goes up. More arrests. Crime goes up some more. Looting. Riots. Social breakdown. The national guard is called in. Martial law. Heck watch V for Vendetta. This is all effect Hasbinad, not cause. I agree with you about the posting reflecting negatively but you played your part in it coming to this. Maybe one of you geniuses could've seen it coming and prevented it. What will happen if we make sure no other guild gets raid targets guys? Is that good or bad for the server. Think they'll mind? Maybe we can help perpetuate a system where the process to get a raid mob becomes so convoluted and bothersome they simply will go away and stop trying. And despite that when it comes out you guys were 'starving' people in an eq sense, mocking them and lording over them, destroying their guilds and friendships and weren't doing it on the up and up you are surprised at the reaction? You blame people who are outraged for turning people away from the server? What about the hundreds who left because of the raid environment here?

It astounds me you think giving a car a new paint job will fix the engine problem. New wallpaper when the house beams are rotting from termites. When your house is crawling with ants don't clean it, throw away garbage and secure food. Just spray ant and roach killer. Put a bandaid on a broken arm.

Again, fix the core issues, the heart of all this. IN GAME actions. And all of this on the forums would go back to the normal RnF silly posts. I am talking about quite simply what you ignore. The nice part of raid nice play nice. And practice what your preach. You can't spit in a man's face and then when he comes looking for blood give him some eye for an eye speech. You don't kick a man's dog and then cry to the police about vandalism when he busts your windows and slashes your car tires. You don't want the guy slashing tires don't kick his fucking dog. You don't want people to cry in outrage? The answer is simple.

This made me chuckle though...

the mascot of the guild

from Mitic. lol

[mitic]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it comes out you guys were 'starving' people in an eq sense, mocking them and lording over them, destroying their guilds and friendships and weren't doing it on the up and up you are surprised at the reaction? You blame people who are outraged for turning people away from the server? What about the hundreds who left because of the raid environment here?

if you cant fight them with your own weapons use theirs then and camp bosses, do rotations 24/7 to keep them on track, use batphones and stop blaming them on the forums. the only thing you get out of this is showing your own incapacity not being able to get things done.

saying that TR is responsible for destroying others guilds or friendships is just another affirmation about your very own weakness.

besides that,this is where red99 kicks in. join red and sort it out in a different and more competitive way.

[Skope]

HBB, there's always going to be idiots bickering here, spouting the same crap over and over again. You're not noting the difference between someone who can put together an informative, coherent and logical argument and the usual background noise.

I agree with you. This thread proves you right. There are a lot of people yapping endlessly, whether because they're ticked off or because they're ticked off because people are ticked off, but censoring certain posts that should be available for everyone to read in favor of a direct telephone line with the GMs that's prone to blackout isn't fair. Want an example? I've asked both Rogean and nilbog if they'll consider harsher punishments in PM, here and another thread and have yet to get any sort of answer. You're arguing that both the worthy and unworthy shit be redirected away from the rest of the community. That doesn't make any sense, broham. If there's a single thread to prove why you're so dead wrong it's in your own thread.

[Francois]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see myself as basically a guest in the house that is this server. Therefore I try to conduct myself politely and not give my host any cause for concern or dismay.

Agreed. If I paid anything for this server, I may feel that I have the right to have a solid input on how it operates. I just can't understand how it's possible to sit at your computer all day writing hateful messages about people that are providing a free service. In the end it never ends up accomplishing anything positive.

There are plenty of other options for people to spew negativity that aren't one of the first things new players see when coming to P99. Rants and Flames has turned into a witch hunt where you can get away with making wild accusations with zero evidence. For example, it was posted that it was "confirmed" that I was suspended.

Most veteran members of P99 can tell the difference between propaganda campaigns and the truth. However, newcomers might not know that there's an army of trolls spreading misinformation about the integrity of the server.

tl;dr - Post your garbage on your guild website.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Francois [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed. If I paid anything for this server, I may feel that I have the right to have a solid input on how it operates. I just can't understand how it's possible to sit at your computer all day writing hateful messages about people that are providing a free service. In the end it never ends up accomplishing anything positive.

Community anger isn't directed at Nilbog and Rogean, and the few that question their integrity are dolts. If anything, they should be the ones most infuriated about what unscrupulous people have done to their project. The ones cheating were making a mockery of Project99.

[Kelven]

You know it's not really the cheating that hurts this server.

It's the constant bickering about every little god damn thing between EVERYONE on this server, that's always been the achilles heel.

Everyone feels that just because you created a character here and spent hours sitting here leveling that you're entitled to have a say in what goes on?

If I had just happened to find out about this server recently, there would be no way I'd spend time leveling here after reading even 2 posts in server chat/rants and flames. God forbid they even looked at the pvp forums.. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[druziil]

i posted this in another thread a few days ago

Originally Posted by druziil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RnF has not been used the way it was ment to be in the last several weeks. People are using it as a soapbox and exploiting the ruleless nature of it to inflame the community over grossley exaggerated issues regarding GM/Staff decisions. If the posted rules about not questioning GM/Staff desicions were enforced more appropriately I could get back to telling people that TMO is full of bad players and that tiggles ia fat.

There is a place for legitimate discussions regarding server issues. It's called server chat. Make valid points in a reasonable way and good things happen.

Having a debate over a decision that was made and how you feel about it would be a legitimate post. If you feel it was a bad decision and you can voice that opinion in a reasonable way then that is a post you can make. All this bullshit swirling around WHY that decision was made the way it was is the questioning part that gets us absolutely no where.

Am i happy with how things went down the last 2 weeks? No. Would i like things to be different (better)? Yes. Can i get over it and keep playing? Sure. The real truth of the matter is that while I feel the cheaters caught where not adequately dealt with it really doesn't affect me as much as it would seem. A lot of my time spent grouping and whatnot with guild mates never directly encountered TR or TMO. It is only on those 1 or 2 hour raid days that this happens and to be frank their play-style/attitude is more of an issue then the fact that a dozen or so were using cheats.

And as far as the Dev abuse scandal, good enough for the tabloids but not the 11 o'clock news. If you believe what has been accused then it still only affects me minimally, and i'm not sure i 100% believe what has been accused.