Enchanter is #1 solo class? What is this madness

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman was one of my first characters when P99 Green was a new server and I remember feeling really weak compared to a lot of other classes. Watching Magicians and Necromancers breeze through Lower Guk and Sol B, meanwhile I have a weak ass pet and go OOM really fast etc. Would trigger me though because randos would imply that Shaman is the most OP character in the entire game and it's like... yall do realize this is classic right? Shaman isn't bad, but I don't have Torpor, Epic, Fungus, JBB bracer etc.

Even if a new players started on P99 right now, with no resources, he's going to have a really long road ahead of himself farming all the plat to get torpor, golem tear, even his 50+ DoTs are crazy expensive. Meanwhile Necromancer can basically run around naked and wreck people with cheap spells etc.

One thing I will say about Enchanter though... Charisma gear is really cheap. Especially on these older servers. My Enchanter wasn't a twink and still managed to hit 255 charisma (with self buffs) long before I hit level 50. Granted he was glass cannon AF.

Ench is still a 40k spellbook and if you want to go EC BiS today it would still cost you 80k or so, before you start getting stuff like zheart/ring of lightning/SS MQs. I mean, I started my ench from scratch on p99 and also got to 205 cha by 50 but I barely had any +hp/mana and I was sitting at like 160int. Ench tend to get reamed real good and your level 50+ spells are huge mana drains so you need both the hp and mana while the deeper you delve into dungeons the more resists you'll also want. Pre 60 you can absolutely get by on scraps but post 60 the better gear will absolutely enable you to do crazy shit and live to tell the tale.

[spoil]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ench is still a 40k spellbook and if you want to go EC BiS today it would still cost you 80k or so, before you start getting stuff like zheart/ring of lightning/SS MQs. I mean, I started my ench from scratch on p99 and also got to 205 cha by 50 but I barely had any +hp/mana and I was sitting at like 160int. Ench tend to get reamed real good and your level 50+ spells are huge mana drains so you need both the hp and mana while the deeper you delve into dungeons the more resists you'll also want. Pre 60 you can absolutely get by on scraps but post 60 the better gear will absolutely enable you to do crazy shit and live to tell the tale.

But obviously if you're a slightly better player then you're going to survive in scraps where a better geared player gets destroyed.

I saw a guy paying for a PL for a chanter from like 1-60, zheart, choker, SS MQs, PoM cards for the robe and back, paying for shawl LR and any epic piece, etc. etc. Like not lifting a finger to play this character. Maybe he's got a 60 on blue or something for all I know, but if not it's going to be a sad sight. Keeping an eye out for some WTS enc droppables from that guy in the near future.

[druidbob]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ench is still a 40k spellbook and if you want to go EC BiS today it would still cost you 80k or so, before you start getting stuff like zheart/ring of lightning/SS MQs. I mean, I started my ench from scratch on p99 and also got to 205 cha by 50 but I barely had any +hp/mana and I was sitting at like 160int. Ench tend to get reamed real good and your level 50+ spells are huge mana drains so you need both the hp and mana while the deeper you delve into dungeons the more resists you'll also want. Pre 60 you can absolutely get by on scraps but post 60 the better gear will absolutely enable you to do crazy shit and live to tell the tale.

I was spoiled playing a WIZ as my first caster on p99. No spell cost more than 300p, jboots were the most expensive gear necessary ( I bought a manna robe eventually but that was just for grins), and even though I got my epic through raiding, I recall the mq being pretty cheap compared to some other epics. Of course this was at a time when literally no one played wizard, so it might cost more now that they have become more popular, but still definitely the most budget friendly caster by far.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ench is still a 40k spellbook and if you want to go EC BiS today it would still cost you 80k or so, before you start getting stuff like zheart/ring of lightning/SS MQs. I mean, I started my ench from scratch on p99 and also got to 205 cha by 50 but I barely had any +hp/mana and I was sitting at like 160int. Ench tend to get reamed real good and your level 50+ spells are huge mana drains so you need both the hp and mana while the deeper you delve into dungeons the more resists you'll also want. Pre 60 you can absolutely get by on scraps but post 60 the better gear will absolutely enable you to do crazy shit and live to tell the tale.

Was confused by this statement and then realized you are talking about Green. High level Enchanter spells are fairly cheap on Blue, but my 50+ Shaman DoTs on Blue still cost more than all of my Enc spells combined. Remember being disheartened when my Shaman had finally saved up 20K and I realized I was halfway to Torpor and only level 55 ! . . . and then had to drop 20K on Bane of Knife and didn't have 16K for Pox of Bert. when I finally hit level 59.

With my Enc on the other hand... the expensive spells are like level 60 haste, gift of pure thought etc. Things that aren't super critical to my class, especially as a solo player.

SHM on the other hand has to spend a lot of money on their basic DoTs, Torpor, Epic etc. Like what I mean is, if you just took a Shaman who had no Torpor or Epic... he's not even going to be in the discussion for most OP class in P99, meanwhile Enchanter can forego a lot of their pricy spells without a care in the world, especially while leveling.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was confused by this statement and then realized you are talking about Green. High level Enchanter spells are fairly cheap on Blue, but my 50+ Shaman DoTs on Blue still cost more than all of my Enc spells combined. Remember being disheartened when my Shaman had finally saved up 20K and I realized I was halfway to Torpor and only level 55 ! . . . and then had to drop 20K on Bane of Knife and didn't have 16K for Pox of Bert. when I finally hit level 59.

With my Enc on the other hand... the expensive spells are like level 60 haste, gift of pure thought etc. Things that aren't super critical to my class, especially as a solo player.

SHM on the other hand has to spend a lot of money on their basic DoTs, Torpor, Epic etc. Like what I mean is, if you just took a Shaman who had no Torpor or Epic... he's not even going to be in the discussion for most OP class in P99, meanwhile Enchanter can forego a lot of their pricy spells without a care in the world, especially while leveling.

dictate is more expensive than it has ever been

just a lot of enchanter farmer alts out there

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But obviously if you're a slightly better player then you're going to survive in scraps where a better geared player gets destroyed.

I saw a guy paying for a PL for a chanter from like 1-60, zheart, choker, SS MQs, PoM cards for the robe and back, paying for shawl LR and any epic piece, etc. etc. Like not lifting a finger to play this character. Maybe he's got a 60 on blue or something for all I know, but if not it's going to be a sad sight. Keeping an eye out for some WTS enc droppables from that guy in the near future.

Like loraen said, anybody can cast boltran, it is when it breaks that it becomes tricky. IMHO chanter is the kind of class you get good through repetition and dying. There comes a point you know everything that can go wrong and can anticipate how to solve that issue when it happens. And then when it happens enough times you get the muscle memory to quickly react appropriately. When you get an hasted and torched pet quadding you for like 30% of your life per round, if your reaction time isn't there you're gone. I have nothing against twinks but there's no point in powerleveling really if you intend to be more than a buff bot.

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dictate is more expensive than it has ever been

just a lot of enchanter farmer alts out there

Took me 3 weeks to find a copy of bedlam at whatever price on green and there were like 3 other chanters looking for it at the time.

I don't know who's alt traktreasures is but if it wasn't for that juggs farming crew it would have taken a lot longer to get most of my level 50+ spells.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman was one of my first characters when P99 Green was a new server and I remember feeling really weak compared to a lot of other classes. Watching Magicians and Necromancers breeze through Lower Guk and Sol B, meanwhile I have a weak ass pet and go OOM really fast etc.

Bind Wound + Cannibalize tho. Infinite HP and Mana glitch

[kjs86z2]

I'll tell you from personal experience, raid gear (FT8, big armor and HP) makes doing the solo shit a heck of a lot easier....and I've done everything but the sweatiest of solo artist stuff.

I didn't quite get to Zarza levels but this is what you want: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza.

Int / Mana doesn't mean shit with FT8.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll tell you from personal experience, raid gear (FT8, big armor and HP) makes doing the solo shit a heck of a lot easier....and I've done everything but the sweatiest of solo artist stuff.

I didn't quite get to Zarza levels but this is what you want: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Zarza.

Int / Mana doesn't mean shit with FT8.

Way too much dkp.

EC enc can solo most of what that one can. Better off gearing a shaman or something for the stuff your enc can’t really do.

[sammoHung]

I bought dictate for 25k on Green 2 years ago. I haven't casted it once.