STAR WARS 7 NEXT TRAILER! - Page 12

Pringles · #1 11-09-2015, 05:59 PM

I'm not big into the lore outside of what the original trilogy offers, but Im going with Kylo Ren is Luke Skywalker. I know, Kylo Ren isnt Mark Hammill (at least in the credits / cast), but it doesnt mean he can't be Luke Skywalker, perhaps.

Luke burned Vader's body, 100% alone. The trailer shows Kylo Ren standing over Vaders helmet, talking to it, saying he is going to finish what Vader started..... the only person that would have Vader's bruned helm is Luke, not Kylo Ren. Luke goes dark, and becomes Kylo Ren, maybe.

Maybe he isnt Kylo Ren, but I bet he goes dark (Kylo Ren's "Master" like Obi Wan was his). Luke is completely missing from the trailers etc etc.... Han and Leia looking for Luke after he goes dark = E7?

AzzarTheGod · #2 11-09-2015, 06:05 PM

Hmm I don't think hes Kylo Ren, but I think he is possibly Kylo Ren's master.

I think maybe his apprentice went renegade.

Luke going to the darkside after being an all-star classic golden boy in the movies would make little sense. Nobody would like it or stomach it very well but maybe I'm old fashioned fanbase member, and my thinking comes from being an original trilogy fan who is hoping for some nostalgia of the original trilogy. I am biased and its possible that JJ is giving Star Wars the 2015 Star Trek treatment, modernizing and revamping it for 2015 millennial film audiences as that is what he does best.

It would have to be something like "grey area" side but I doubt it is even that simple. It is going to be more complicated than anyone can theorize about I feel. JJ and the writers had some fundamental disagreement halfway through the script that caused an impasse, this rarely happens with AAA movie writers, they always work things out. It means the disagreement had to be critical to the direction of the next 3 movies. I think this blowout between the writers had to do with Luke's role in the next 3 movies.

Champion_Standing · #3 11-09-2015, 07:23 PM

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I'm not big into the lore outside of what the original trilogy offers, but Im going with Kylo Ren is Luke Skywalker. I know, Kylo Ren isnt Mark Hammill (at least in the credits / cast), but it doesnt mean he can't be Luke Skywalker, perhaps.

Luke burned Vader's body, 100% alone. The trailer shows Kylo Ren standing over Vaders helmet, talking to it, saying he is going to finish what Vader started..... the only person that would have Vader's bruned helm is Luke, not Kylo Ren. Luke goes dark, and becomes Kylo Ren, maybe.

Maybe he isnt Kylo Ren, but I bet he goes dark (Kylo Ren's "Master" like Obi Wan was his). Luke is completely missing from the trailers etc etc.... Han and Leia looking for Luke after he goes dark = E7?

Yeah but why would Luke keep the helmet?

AzzarTheGod · #4 11-09-2015, 07:32 PM

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Yeah but why would Luke keep the helmet?

Why would you keep your fathers police badge?

Or your fathers 4 star general uniform?

Or your fathers service pistol?

Is this a serious question cmon pal...Yeah ok he did some evil stuff but he accomplished great things and redeemed himself, there's plenty of reason to take all his stuff for legacy and ancestry sake.

I don't think Luke is Kylo Ren, I think its probably closer to what Dafier said. Jedi are extinct and Luke is just a legend MIA. While Kylo and his goons run wild. Luke may have trained one of these guys out in nowheresville and the dude took the stuff from Luke after flipping him the bird.

Thing is, JJ doesn't write simple shit like that. Theres a twist somewhere, but I don't think its going to be as clear cut as Luke went to the dark side per se. I still believe Kylo Ren is adam driver.

Pringles · #5 11-09-2015, 07:35 PM

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Why would you keep your fathers police badge?

Or your fathers 4 star general uniform?

Or your fathers service pistol?

Is this a serious question cmon pal...Yeah ok he did some evil stuff but he accomplished great things and redeemed himself, there's plenty of reason to take all his stuff for legacy and ancestry sake.

I don't think Luke is Kylo Ren, I think its probably closer to what Dafier said. Jedi are extinct and Luke is just a legend MIA. While Kylo and his goons run wild.

Thing is, JJ doesn't write simple shit like that. Theres a twist somewhere, but I don't think its going to be as clear cut as Luke went to the dark side per se. I still believe Kylo Ren is adam driver.

Ya, Im sure it wont be a cut and dry thing - it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but there is something big going on with Luke, that I am certain of.

AzzarTheGod · #6 11-09-2015, 07:47 PM

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Ya, Im sure it wont be a cut and dry thing - it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, but there is something big going on with Luke, that I am certain of.

Yeah I think we all agree there is something big going on with Luke. Its certainly not going to be a movie about this hipster sith dude Adam Driver terrorizing some village and some skinny girl bawling her eyes out at the sight of it. Theres going to be another galactic war starting to form in the backdrop I assume, as all that Imperial hardware didn't just get abandoned and evaporate.

It's going to be bigger than anyone can wrap their head around. You don't swap AAA movie writers mid-way through the process unless you had a killer disagreement. JJ definitely cooked up a plot of some kind and it seems Luke's role was definitely part of it.

Champion_Standing · #7 11-09-2015, 07:37 PM

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Why would you keep your fathers police badge?

Or your fathers 4 star general uniform?

Or your fathers service pistol?

Is this a serious question cmon pal...Yeah ok he did some evil stuff but he accomplished great things and redeemed himself, there's plenty of reason to take all his stuff for legacy and ancestry sake.

I don't think Luke is Kylo Ren, I think its probably closer to what Dafier said. Jedi are extinct and Luke is just a legend MIA. While Kylo and his goons run wild. Luke may have trained one of these guys out in nowheresville and the dude took the stuff from Luke after flipping him the bird.

Thing is, JJ doesn't write simple shit like that. Theres a twist somewhere, but I don't think its going to be as clear cut as Luke went to the dark side per se. I still believe Kylo Ren is adam driver.

Dude...he burned it...clearly had no intention of keeping the thing lol. Why would he keep the mask his father wore when he was fighting for the dark side when he ascended into jedi soul form or whatever the fuck it is and could talk to and learn from him anyway.

dafier · #8 11-09-2015, 06:41 PM

I don't believe Luke went dark at all. He is neither Kylo, nor Snoke nor has he turned to the dark side.

I think Luke is a pure Jedi Master that did exactly what his former Master (Yoda) did. He went in to hiding.

Jedi even after the death of the Emperor are still very much so hated. I also believe that Luke is NOT the only Jedi out there. Vader didn't get every single Jedi, nor did the "First Order".

I believe how they are going to introduce this movie though is that Luke is the lone Jedi out in there and there is no other. I know for a fact this isn't true though.

As for the helmet. I am pretty sure Luke didn't take it. I am sure that he just left the burnt remains there. Obviously you know the body isn't there. It's gone, just like Yoda and Obi. The suit was probably all melted along with the mask, but also remember that the First Order DID exist in a form during Return of the Jedi. They were used by Vader, and maybe Palpatine to hunt down the Jedi along with various other tasks.

About 1 more month. DAMN I can't wait to see this story and see where they went. Azz, I did see a youtube thing about it might be Chewie who died because there was fur.

Honestly, I'd like for them to kill off Han, Leia and Chewie. Only have Luke left to do what must be done! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Lucas's version has Luke being all powerful. Lucas said himself that Luke is more powerful than any other force user in the universe. Now, I know JJ and company didn't take ALL of what Lucas said and made a movie, but I am sure they kept certain thoughts.

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Remember, Luke was alone a lot during the original movies. He was in training for....how long before seeing Han, Leia and the others. Years....

He only showed up to save Solo. Force powers he showed right off the bat, raising an GIGANTIC door. That's massive force power. He then force choked 2 pigs....just by waiving his hand just like the Emperor. The dude is nothing to scoff at.

AzzarTheGod · #9 11-09-2015, 07:16 PM

Luke's Midi-chlorian count is definitely going to be over 9000 in this trilogy.

entruil · #10 11-09-2015, 10:21 PM

wait ... whta... is this... bread?... no.. circus!? ... ok ... yea ... grumble. grumble. ...