Questioning GM Decisions

[Labyrrinth]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not like we can point a finger back at the players for ivandyr hooping mobs and not agreeing to a boss kill rotation or anything. That doesn't screw anything up.

It's always the fault of "Blizz"/"Trion"/"Whoever", it's never, ever the scum bag community that screws up the... community... wait.. I see ... what I did there.

You're misconstruing things.
Using what's available to take down a mob isn't the problem. If it's not meant to be it'll be changed. If it's considered an exploit, then that communication needs to happen so that everyone is aware.

Not agreeing to rotations isnt' the problem.
Would an overall agreement make things easier for all involved? Of course it would. But that wasn't the issue here.

The issue was a decision made on how to punish cheaters and hackers. A decision that wasn't in line with how other cheaters and hackers have been punished in the past. Some people it seems, feel that the GM's decision on this matter shouldn't be questioned or looked at more closely, while there are others that feel quite differently on the subject.

[Vile]

out the hackers and ban them.

/end thread

[mitic]

i got teh solution!

enforce boss rotation on blue99
if you dont like that, join red99

[Durison]

I can tell you that it was a rough time when Dark Ascension was suspended for a week when a one member was caught using MQ in Lower Guk, while our raid force was in Sol B. Dark Ascension was also referred to as a guild who harboured cheaters by the staff, and during this time a guide allowed for the ALT's of IB to create a guild called Dark Suspension. Very Mature~

It's ironic how the tables have turned.

In memory of DA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmBBNFzWN9k

[Nedala]

Originally Posted by Durison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can tell you that it was a rough time when Dark Ascension was suspended for a week when a one member was caught using MQ in Lower Guk, while our raid force was in Sol B. Dark Ascension was also referred to as a guild who harboured cheaters by the staff, and during this time a guide allowed for the ALT's of IB to create a guild called Dark Suspension. Very Mature~

It's ironic how the tables have turned.

In memory of DA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmBBNFzWN9k

Since a lot of people are crying for a raid suspension of TR atm, im very surprised one thing hasnt come up so far:

DA wasnt raid suspeded just cause one of their members used SEQ in lguk while they were in solb.

DA hacked the database to gain acces to spawn timers before raid mobs even spawned. DA rolled up in full force multiple times a few minutes before a raidmob spawned.

And then they got punished, and then koota tracked raidmobswith SEQ and they got punished again.

And then some dude of DA used seq for personal gain in lguk, and you got punished again, which was probably unfair but it happened cause the GMs were already mad at you guys cause of the bullshit that happened before.

TR isnt raid suspended cause peruns usage of SEQ didnt give us any raid advantage. Also why is nobody crying for a permanent ban for koota and jeremy ? Why did skope not ragequit the server when the people who were "permanently banned" were allowed back to the server?

I wonder how many people didnt know that, just like almost every time a GM decision happens nobody knows all the inside informations, and thats why you should just trust rogean and nilbog and not question their decisions all the time, cause there is always something you dont know.

Let's get back on topic now.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also why is nobody crying for a permanent ban for koota and jeremy ?

I guess it probably caused less of an uproar because there wasn't a huge post on the home page about it. Just a guess, though. Anyway, you have my endorsement. Ban 'em. Ban cheaters.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TR isnt raid suspended cause peruns usage of SEQ didnt give us any raid advantage.

according to your guild. please enlighten me, how is knowing the exact location of a raid mob and the best path for pulling it with no adds not an incredible advantage? and you're also assuming that he only used it once - this is only a claim by perun and not a fact. actually, it's more than likely a lie given the amount of cheaters that were suspended in TR.

your argument is ridiculous.

[Nedala]

Gms can check when and how often he used it. You know, perun is a monk and therefore not out pulling dragons, how is it an advantage for the raid if he knows where the mob is and not telling anyone?

[G13]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gms can check when and how often he used it. You know, perun is a monk and therefore not out pulling dragons, how is it an advantage for the raid if he knows where the mob is and not telling anyone?

You mean how Perun exploited Vox's pathing to pull her through the cubby/wall to the ZL?

How do you know he wasn't using SEQ to check giant pathing in the lair to accomplish this?

[Barkingturtle]

I read the first post. That's all. Here is what I think of it:

Between the cheating, half-assed punishments, and disdain for dissenting opinions, well, new players should be scared of this server. And frankly, as a member of a community one has a responsibility to question the decisions of its leaders when those decisions are, for whatever reason, unpredictable and inconsistent. Of course, they've said before that this is their place and theirs alone, players be damned, but that rings a bit hollow when multitudes of cheaters go on playing because they've become an entity too big to fail. Like CitiGroup, but with more back acne.

Personally, I won't participate in a server where cheaters are allowed to keep playing, nor will I participate in discussions where I am selectively censored in order to dupe prospective players into joining what they think is a server not suffering these ills.

This thread is as vile a piece of propaganda as it accuses others of perpetrating. It is blatant trolling and should be moved to RnF else it is lent credibility. I would question why it hasn't been moved already, but I'm not sure to whom I would pose the query without offending Hasbin's gentle sensibilities.