Questioning GM Decisions

[G13]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like you're complaining, tbh. "Not going to play here for reasons x and y." Am I wrong?

I don't understand why you are attacking him. He has valid criticisms. Divinity's reputation as a guild is of the highest caliber. They've always played by the rules and treated this server with respect. How many Divinity officers were caught using SEQ Nilbog? Why are you directing your vitriol towards a Divinity member, and not the guild who's raid leader was caught using SEQ?

A top tier raiding guild's raid leader was caught using SEQ during a competitive raid. He's in a position of leadership within this guild. Where's the raid suspension for 2 weeks at a minimum? Having a developer in this guild should lead to a more severe punishment, to show there is no favortism. A higher standard should be set for this guild to remove all doubt. Instead we're seeing the exact opposite. Why?

Xzerion either knew about the hacking or was too stupid to realize it was happening within his leadership core.

I don't see the nightly population having taken a huge hit since the suspensions went into effect anyways, so I really don't see how that excuse is even plausible. We don't need these cheaters infecting the server. Secondly, why would you want 300+ known cheaters playing on your box? The whole point of having a rule against cheaters is make sure they don't play on the server. Now we're going to have 300+ known cheaters playing on P99 in about a week. To the players that don't cheat, who have played here for almost 2 years, this is a slap in the face.

[Roanoke]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why you are attacking him. He has valid criticisms. Divinity's reputation as a guild is of the highest caliber. They've always played by the rules and treated this server with respect. How many Divinity officers were caught using SEQ Nilbog? Why are you directing your vitriol towards a Divinity member, and not the guild who's raid leader was caught using SEQ?

A top tier raiding guild's raid leader was caught using SEQ during a competitive raid. He's in a position of leadership within this guild. Where's the raid suspension for 2 weeks at a minimum? Having a developer in this guild should lead to a more severe punishment, to show there is no favortism. A higher standard should be set for this guild to remove all doubt. Instead we're seeing the exact opposite. Why?

Xzerion either knew about the hacking or was too stupid to realize it was happening within his leadership core.

I don't see the nightly population having taken a huge hit since the suspensions went into effect anyways, so I really don't see how that excuse is even plausible. We don't need these cheaters infecting the server. Secondly, why would you want 300+ known cheaters playing on your box? The whole point of having a rule against cheaters is make sure they don't play on the server. Now we're going to have 300+ known cheaters playing on P99 in about a week. To the players that don't cheat, who have played here for almost 2 years, this is a slap in the face.

You clearly missed the post where nilbog said that guild tags are meaningless abbreviations and that he doesn't care who you are or what guild you are in.

[bakkily]

people are just a bit, id say pissed or annoyed that the cheaters didnt receive more of a severer punishment due to the crimes against the server that was commited,

just glad the heat of this on the forums has died down a bit over the last few days, but they didnt want to lose over 350 people, where a big chunk of those were actively on every night,

though with the cheaters banned for the last week and a half, and half a week to continue, the servers numbers are doing fine, i figure this discussioins going to continue for over the next week or two possibly, though i dont know how this affects newcomers to the server, i hope it doesnt at all, but as hasbind stated at first the gms make the decision making on what happens to the cheaters, could be harsher,

maybe a few more lvls, and rogean said he may bring them back a few lvls, and over the next two weeks hes changing these accounts to the affixed lvl/stripping plat, but they just hope no ones stupid enough to even try to cheat anymore

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I think we should treat our children well. Our children are out future. If we mistreat children it will reflect negatively on us and society.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Vermicelli [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, so you have seen my other appeals asking people stop posting trash in the general forum. Which is the forum we are posting in now, if you hadn't noticed. So many other posters seem to blur the lines between Rants n Flames and general chat that it makes my head spin violently and lighting shoot out of my ears. I don't want to have to sift thru shitpile posts just to read legitimate server threads. There is a time and place for things, and the general forum is not a place for those things.

More to the matter at hand! Reposting these shitpile threads in general chat will not change the GMs' and developers' minds regarding decisions that have already been made. That poop belongs in rants and flames.

inb4 trollolol posts that take what I say out of context and further shit up the forum for your own entertainment.

Vermicilli,

Please cease your constant witch hunts and torch waving for bans in Server Chat.

You continue to spam Server Chat with your demands to "suspend and plat-strip those drama llama accounts."

You see, there is a time and place for things, and the general forum is not a place for witch hunt calls such as yours in Server Chat. I don't want to have to sift through your "shitpile" posts when I want to read a legitimate server thread.

Reposting your "shitpile" witch hunts and dramatic rabble-rousing for bans in Server Chat will not change the GMs' and developers' minds regarding decisions that have already been made.

Your poop belongs in rants and flames.

Thank you.

[bakkily]

.....battle begin

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

The irony is you are questioning GM decisions by asking why they aren't moderating all the posts. Effectively saying they aren't doing what they should be doing.

this is the correct way to request oversight regarding a GM Decision, why aren't people being directed to do so rather than continue to spam the various forums about it?

There is a distinct difference between questioning a decision and what you are referring to. People should be able to discuss matters which affect the server without worrying about being censored or banned. Now of course there may be ways to do so and ways that aren't appropriate but to simply say anyone who raises a question about things which affect the server need to be moderated is idiocy. Let me get this straight if someone's acting poorly in game and this causes people to speak up on forums, we should ban the people on the forums right? I'm with you there is a point where too much is too much but if the cause of forum posts is in game behavior you don't want that looked at, just the reaction to it? So in essence it becomes do what you want in game and if anyone speaks out against it, they need to be silent. Is that your stance? That only the posts on the forums cause negative feedback or perception for the server. That nothing these posts mention, true false alleged or made up do so? That (hypothetically speaking) any favoritism, any cheating, anything which compromises the integrity of the server or affects people's enjoyment can occur in game just you can't get mad about it?

The bottom line is it is certain people's project or server and they make the rules and like it or not you have no choice but to abide by them. And you have to choose to play here or not. They made their stance clear about questioning GM decisions with Rogeans sticky in the RnF forum I believe. I think the problem is people want to play here and are frustrated when things seem unfair or unjust and I imagine they just want honesty and transparency. Which is why I don't believe your post has anything to do with server health. More like you are either trying to curry favor or just remove voices that speak out against you and your actions.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Roanoke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly missed the post where nilbog said that guild tags are meaningless abbreviations and that he doesn't care who you are or what guild you are in.

Then TR/IB should receive a minimum of a 2 week raid suspension effective immediately right?

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly the kind of doom and gloom speech that does nobody any good, thank you Slave for providing an example.

First of all, saying that unless your demands are met, some harm will come to the people being demanded of is tantamount to terrorism, which is exactly what you just did when you said "Delete the cheaters' items or there will be irrevocable damage done to the rest of the server. P99 will never be the same..." This is terrorism plain and simple, and this is the tactic employed by a large majority of the group of posters who are being detrimental to the health of the server at the current time.

Secondly, Skope, while a valuable member of the community, leaving because he doesn't like the rules of the server is not a reason to change the rules of the forum.

Thirdly, Skope has a perfectly legitimate method available to him which has been provided and outlined by the staff. Skope should use this avenue and abide by the decisions or make his decision whether or not he wants to be here.

The above goes for everyone. The mob rule mentality is not getting the server anywhere but downhill, so let's put a stop to it.

Agree'd completely. Pretty much agree with everything you've said so far. Personally I think that our forum which is our public face being filled with unmoderated trolling and bashing is more harmful than cheaters keeping their items. New blood keeps us running. Was the server dead and destroyed before the suspensions? Is it now? Then most likely it won't be when they get back. I don't know about you but I sure as hell haven't noticed any difference in the economy with them being gone.

They made the rules, we are expected to play by them. However since they made them they can change them and they can decide how they are enforced. None of us have the full picture. If you think that by reading the forums you're more qualified to make these decisions your probably mistaken.

I don't think it can be argued that more moderation here would be a bad thing. Trolling and name calling is doing nothing to help our situation.

[mwatt]

I see myself as basically a guest in the house that is this server. Therefore I try to conduct myself politely and not give my host any cause for concern or dismay.


That's what we all are here. Guests.

Even a guest may express an opinion, but it should be done politely and in most cases not repeatedly, if the host has already weighed in on that matter.

Trying to make other guests unhappy about what the host provides for free is bad manners. If the wishes of the host are in conflict with those of a guest, the guest should depart or simply keep quiet if the issue is small enough.

End of story. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.