Skyshrine: The Unscrewing

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kromzek - Claws of Veeshan
Kromrif - Coldain
Tormax - Yelinak & Dain
Dain - Tormax
Yelinak - Tormax
Derakor - Claws
Statue - Claws
Avatar - Claws

NOW, in researching I'm noticing a correlation between Dain and Yeli faction. Any mob that raised one, seems to raise the other. Any assistance helping prove/disprove that?

Speaking of factions in a general sense:
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+armor+faction

There are 3 factions overall

Giant
Dwarf
Dragon

The general relation is Dwarves and dragons hate giants.

There are 2 dwarf factions: Coldain and Dain.
+Coldain comes from killing most giants.
+Dain comes from giants on Tormax faction.
Killing any dwarf results in -Coldain and -Dain

There are 2 dragon factions: Claws of Veeshan and Lord Yelinak
+Claws comes from killing any giant.
+Yelinak comes from killing Tormax giants.
Killing any dragon results in -Claws and -Yelinak.

There are 4 giant factions: Kromrif, Kromzek, Storm and Tormax.
Kromrif comes from killing any dwarf not on Dain faction.
Kromzek comes from killing any dwarf not on Dain faction or any dragons not on Yelinak faction. (Kromzek is what the Kael quests are done on)
Tormax faction comes from any dwarf on Dain faction or any dragon on Yelinak faction.
I am uncertain what factions give +Storm
Killing any giant results in -Kromrif -Kromzek -Tormax

There are 3 factions specific to Tunare in Velious and 3 old world factions.
Tunarean Court (applies to mobs in the tower where the PoG tree is). Is linked to Claws faction somehow but not directly (ie killing a dragon won't make you KoS to them)
Servants of Tunare. Killing anything in PoG gives bad faction with them and there is no way to raise it back that I know of.
Protectors of Growth. Linked only to the PoGs in PoG. Can only go down too. No known way to raise.
The other 3 are
Faydarks Champions
Clerics of Tunare
I forget the last one but I know it is tied to Kelethin.

[Aeolwind]

Not going to bite on all the EQCleric posts as gospel. Patch notes yes. But EQClerics had some doozeys.

[pasi]

You basically had two ways to raise Dain and Yelinak faction. You could kill Tormax NPCs or you could Quest Claws of Veeshan/Coldain (very different from killing Kromrif/Kromzek to raise faction).

Tormax had 5 ways to raise faction. You could quest Kromzek (storm), you could quest Tormax, you could kill Dain Faction (Dain, Chamberlain, Seneschal, Grand Huntsman/Scribe, or Royal Guards). You could also kill Yelinak or Velketor the Sorceror.

Killing in NToV tanks your Claws of Veeshan and Guardians of Veeshan Faction, but doesn't impact Yelinak.

Basically in summation:

3 Giant Factions

Kill Kromrif (Frost)
+Coldain (major)
+Claws of Veeshan (minor)
-Kromrif (major)
-Kromzek (minor)

Kill Kromzek (storm)
+Claws of Veeshan (major)
-Kromzek (major)
-King Tormax (minor)
-Kromrif (minor)

Kill Tormax (Tormax, Dlammaz, Tormax Guards, Dlammaz PH, Fjorkar, Keldor)
+Yelinak (major)
+Dain (major)
-King Tormax (major)
-Kromzek (minor)

2 Dwarf Factions

Kill Coldain
+Kromrif (major)
+Kromzek(minor)
-Coldain (major)
-Dain (minor)

Kill Dain (Dain, Chamberlain, Seneschal, Grand Huntsman/Scribe, or Royal Guards)
+King Tormax (major)
-Dain Frostreaver (major)
-Coldain (minor)

3 Dragon Factions
Kill Claws of Veeshan
+Kromzek (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (major)
-Yelinak (minor)

Kill Yelinak (only Yelinak)
+King Tormax
-Yelinak (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (minor)

Kill Guardians of Veeshan (NToV)
-Guardians of Veeshan (doesn't matter, everyone is KoS)
-Claws of Veeshan (not sure if minor/major)

Questing
Quest Coldain
+Coldain (major)
+Dain (moderate)
-Kromrif (major)
-Kromzek (moderate)

Quest Dain (literally one quest that no one will ever do... ever)
+Dain (major)
+Coldain (moderate)
-King Tormax (major)

Quest Claws of Veeshan
+Claws of Veeshan (major)
+Yelinak (moderate)
-Kromzek (major)

Quest Yelinak (literally one quest)
+Yelinak (major)
+Claws of Veeshan (moderate)
-King Tormax (major)

Quest Kromrif
+Kromrif (major)
+Kromzek (moderate)
-Coldain (major)
-Claws of Veeshan (moderate)

Quest Kromzek
+Kromzek (major)
+King Tormax (moderate)
+Kromrif (moderate)
-Claws of Veeshan (major)

Quest Tormax (Dlammaz, Fjorkar, and Tormax Ques)
+King Tormax (major)
+Kromzek (moderate)
-Dain (major)
-Yelinak (major)

Then the odds and ends
Kill Velketor the Sorcerer: +King Tormax (major)
Some of the Wakening Land quests (Tunaraen Court) will raise/lower Kromzek, Claws, and Yelinak.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to bite on all the EQCleric posts as gospel. Patch notes yes. But EQClerics had some doozeys.

What issue do you have with the EQClerics' comments specifically?



December 20, 2001 Everlore Kael Armor Guide
http://web.archive.org/web/200108230...e=35&id=314338

All these NPCs are found behind King Tormax's throne room in Kael Drakkal. You must have sufficient KingTormax faction to speak with them.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What issue do you have with the EQClerics' comments specifically?



December 20, 2001 Everlore Kael Armor Guide
http://web.archive.org/web/200108230...e=35&id=314338

The charm part. We tried it. Repeatedly, died a few times. Even using dictate they wouldn't bite.

[Buellen]

I don't have hard evidence but I remember that the cobolt scare and wakening lands were droped by mobs don't remember what zones.


also quick question are you going to require folks to get the tooth from each ring so they can port into them ?


Garu 37th half elf Warrior // Buskier 33 Human cleric

[Buellen]

ok

here is one quest that was initially doable at dubious faction with COV faction. hardest part was to get the correct sentry kale up one version doesn't give this quest.

Velium retrival http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=969

it was changed near Dec 2002 you can see post talking about that change in faction their.

Anyhow Basicly you could spend 4 to 5k plate and get to max ally COV faction in a few hours.

ideally make a corpse In skyshrine have a rezer standing by have a druid/wiz port you to great divide do turn in thurgdain get rez rinse repeat. I did this on EQ Mac was amazingly fast.
The quest give 25 pts of cov faction and some pts of yalniak faction per turn in.

Obviously it was nerfed to require warmly faction because it was to easy to get to max ally cov faction and with enough ttime and money max yalniak faction.

Garue 37 Half elf warrior // Buskier 33 human cleric

PS sentery Kale location in eqmac is 186, neg 453 , 13. he is in same room as gurdash the bake rand ruru the cook

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Buellen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also quick question are you going to require folks to get the tooth from each ring so they can port into them ?

Yep.

[oldschooltrader]

You do not lose Kromzek faction killing Kromrif

this was how i was in a Kromzek Giant guild ( killed Yelinak etc) but did the Coldain shawl

i could of done the shawl first then went to giants but i was young n we didnt kno it would have FT. Anyway i was Max KOS to dwarfs n killed tons of Frost giants n wolves in GD to gain Coldain faction but not lose Kromzek faction as I contined to do quests w Giants and roam parts of Kael freely. Eventually I was KOS to Frost giants but loved by Dwarf n Storm giants n of course hated by Dragons

( note what maybe happened was i was still killing dragons to keep my Zek faction high to offset killing the frost giants. Im not sure but i just remember seeing what I did as an obv way to fix dwarf for shawl but stay alligned with my guilds factions. I do not think I would have pursued the dwarf faction if i saw it wreck by storm giant faction at the same time. )

any other similar experiences?

[heartbrand]

I can test this on live today if you're willing to accept that as proof. I can't imagine that the faction hits have changed.