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Old 06-06-2013, 12:11 AM
Eliseus Eliseus is offline
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So you're saying there's nothing at all wrong with genital mutilation. Noted, I'll keep any kids I have far away from you and your kind.
Fallacy of quoting out of context

The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.[1]

Arguments based on this fallacy typically take two forms. As a straw man argument, which is frequently found in politics, it involves quoting an opponent out of context in order to misrepresent their position (typically to make it seem more simplistic or extreme) in order to make it easier to refute. As an appeal to authority, it involves quoting an authority on the subject out of context, in order to misrepresent that authority as supporting some position.[2]

Straw man

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:15 AM
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In taxpayer funded schools you'd better hope your fucking ass there is regulation in place.
he's not talking about public schools. he's talking about a parent's ability to raise their kid within a religion
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:18 AM
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Fuck off. If a parent wants their children to be raised into these so called "cults" then that should and will always be ok. I take it you aren't a parent. My child will and should do what I feel is morally right for him/her to do till he is old enough to choose do it his own. Considering that scientific evidence proves also that the brain full develops I think it was from ages 21-25, no, my children who will be confused from right vs wrong for most of their life will not be choosing to do whatever they so please.

So again, fuck you and your stupid opinion.
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So you're saying there's nothing at all wrong with genital mutilation. Noted, I'll keep any kids I have far away from you and your kind.
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I claim strawman after being called out on my own fallacy.
Please try again.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:19 AM
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Please try again.
Straw man

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:20 AM
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he's not talking about public schools. he's talking about a parent's ability to raise their kid within a religion
"Teaching" invokes different feelings and tones then "raising within" which is why there is a common phrase "indoctrinating" as of late.
I apologize for misinterpreting the intent of the statement.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:21 AM
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Stuff
You can scream "straw man" all you want, doesn't change the fact that you're trying to legitimize your claim while ignoring the entire picture.

I believe the phrase "Hey look over there!" fits here.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:25 AM
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You can scream "straw man" all you want, doesn't change the fact that you're trying to legitimize your claim while ignoring the entire picture.

I believe the phrase "Hey look over there!" fits here.
Have you even read the definition? If this was a court of law, you would lose right now. The definition is EXACTLY what you did, and are still doing.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:27 AM
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Let me break it down for you.


Straw man

A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position(WHICH YOU DID).[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition(AGAIN WHICH YOU DID) (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.(ALSO WHICH YOU DID)[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues.
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:31 AM
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If this was a court of law, you would lose right now.
That's actually closer to a strawman argument right there. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:34 AM
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That's actually closer to a strawman argument right there. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
No it's not, you had no original basis to even base an argument off of to misinterpret or give some superficial argument.
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