the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

[Daldolma]

i don't see how you can argue for both

if religion has been so insidiously and subversively pervasive as to manipulate every instance of modern government, secular or not, then how can you possibly condemn statism without first declawing religion? statism has barely had a chance; it has been doomed to failure from the start by the influence of religion

i don't believe that btw. every form of government we've conceived has failed and transgressed basic human rights. blaming religion is weak. people have been killing other people for money, women, land, power, etc in every society since time immemorial. it's human nature. you're blaming religion and government for reflecting humanity. we're a species that took a fledgling understanding of biology and turned it into eugenics and racial hygiene. we didn't need theism for that.