the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stalin's ussr, nazi germany, and 1940s USA were all definitively secular federal governments no matter what type of mental gymnastics you try to pull off.

Oh, I thought you wanted to have a conversation about reality.

Since this is a fantasy conversation, every monotheistic god is also a pedophile.

[Hasbinbad]

Definitively. lol.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^you're more than happy to lay crazy megalomaniacs, special science, and political oppression at the feet of religion when it happens within a religious state. but when it happens within secular contexts, lulz not secular?

Lol, I guess that's why every German soldier had the phrase "God is with us" (gott mis uns) on their belt buckles. Secular my ass.

[Daldolma]

kind of like our money says "in god we trust"?

again, not relevant. secular government doesn't mean atheist government

should understand the terms being discussed before using them

[Hasbinbad]

Should understand the difference between propaganda and fact before purporting propaganda as fact to people who know the difference.

[Daldolma]

propaganda is you trying to weasel stalin and nazi germany out of secularity and into the non-category of "political religion"

like people trying to argue the crusades weren't really about religion

you didn't even touch the fact that a secular us government dropped 2 atomic bombs on innocents

[Hasbinbad]

us government not secular.
nazis not secular.
soviet non-religion more parallels to religion than to anything remotely resembling secularity.


k lol.

[Hasbinbad]

including a god-king rofl

[Daldolma]

you don't understand what secular government means

us federal government is secular by any working definition of the term

so was ussr

nazi germany most complicated, but given binary option of religious/secular, clearly secular

secular isn't atheist

[Ahldagor]

that power system worked for a damn good while, then the pedo's came out of the woodwork