Variance Changes

[arsenalpow]

Because grouping in venril's room doesn't count? Because camping a raid force at the north wall in fear doesn't count?

[oldschooltrader]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because grouping in venril's room doesn't count? Because camping a raid force at the north wall in fear doesn't count?

This. You are lieing to yourselves if you think poopsocking doesnt "exist" anymore bc of this variance change. Only thing that changed is the characters that would b sitting at spawn in game are now more than likely camped at the spot instead. Does that fix any problem? The raid force is still basically still there socking it up.

If you say that the camped character thing is a strat n not poopsocking then i have some magic beans to sell you.


No more 100 people on VS spawn point correct, but the virus is far from cured.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by oldschooltrader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No more 100 people on VS spawn point correct, but the virus is far from cured.

Personally, I consider it an improvement to not have people just sitting there socking. A huge one? No, but it was either have chars camped everywhere AND sock, or have chars camped and not have to sit there logged in to sock.

This is clearly no panacea. Do better, far more efficacious solutions exist? Extremely likely. However, to not have 100 people on VS's spawn anymore, well that's at least slightly better right?

Any improvement is better than none. Let's stop acting like any change other than the best one automatically excludes all other solutions. Nothing here is preclusive of additional problem-solving.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by oldschooltrader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. You are lieing to yourselves if you think poopsocking doesnt "exist" anymore bc of this variance change. Only thing that changed is the characters that would b sitting at spawn in game are now more than likely camped at the spot instead. Does that fix any problem? The raid force is still basically still there socking it up.

If you say that the camped character thing is a strat n not poopsocking then i have some magic beans to sell you.


No more 100 people on VS spawn point correct, but the virus is far from cured.

this ^^

players asking for a change have been accused of repeatedly trying the same thing without getting any results

well, the server admins also seem to be trying the same thing without getting results either

the theory was that variance would allow smaller guilds to compete. it simply hasn't done that, though.

was a noble experiment but i think its time for something new

the next idea may work or it may not, but something new would be at least worth TRYING imo

[OMGWTF420]

Originally Posted by OMGWTF420 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

arent these changes pretty much the exact opposite of what you guys said you were going to do? which was lessen variance? why add more variance??

[Ruenaros]

I'm sure there's a "yo dawg" to be had here since we're now varying our variance. I come back after a year to see not much has changed...

where's the maintenance day pops!?

[Skope]

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[Nirgon]

I think certain mobs come Velious can be considered group content and not raid content.

Will any mobs if shown to be regularly soloable/groupable become 7 day static spawns that are not Velious NPCs? AKA removed from variance?

[mtb tripper]

I forgot about anti aliasing

[Ruenaros]

Anyone remember when they started doing those "rolling restarts" on maintenance day instead of the normal downtime window? I was trying to remember the specifics of how that worked... I think it still disconnected everyone from the server, but only for like 10-15 minutes instead of the usual 4-5 hour downtime.