Do P99 Devs, GMs and Guides Have Jobs?

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by joppykid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at all those level 20's. Someone is an Altaholic!

I can't stand playing on this server for more than a week at a time.

[August]

Originally Posted by odiecat99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy shit and Im the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, where's the proof?

Honestly what proof is required. The numbers I quoted are low-ball estimates for software development. You can command 75/hr after a couple years work as a freelancer pretty easily.

But yeah ok draw the argument away. Fact doesn't change that you are contributing nothing and are receiving a free game.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by odiecat99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy shit and Im the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, where's the proof?

You're calling BS on a $150/hr bill-out? You obviously haven't spent any time in the corporate world.

I'm a network engineer, my time is either billed out somewhere between $150/hr to $250/hr, or more commonly in project labor 'blocks', which range anywhere from $1k to $20k, and can take anywhere from a couple of hours to several days. These labor blocks are built into big state contract bids for government education (typically new building contructions since state of Massachusetts refunds like 70% to the municipality). That $20k block gets built into a contract worth $500k-$1 mil and I spend 2 days, give or take, on my part.

(20,000 / (2*8)) = $1,250/hr

I basically have no job description. I'm expected to complete a given project regardless of the vendors involved, whether I've worked with them or not. I cover (not limited to): Firewalls (Cisco, Sonicwall), Switches (Cisco, Procurve, Extreme, Brocade, 3Com, etc), Servers/SAN (HP, Dell, EMC), and pretty much anything Software related (Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, VMWare, Antivirus Products, Backup Products, etc). That really is only a small list of the things I could be dealing with.

[August]

Originally Posted by Harrison 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not immune from reproach just because it's free.

Rogean - Great
Nilbog - Great

Everyone else, needs to prove themselves because as server history has proven. Most of you are shit.

Edit: Excluding content devs who don't do any customer service related activities. You guys are A okay in my book as well. Because you can't fix the problems we're dealing with player-wise if you wanted to. It's out of your hands. The rest are just making up excuses to let shitbags be shitbags. Such as the, "that happened X amount of time ago lol" excuse.

I think they are definitely immune from the current reproach that is going on.

F R E E

You are not paying for a service. You are not involved in any contractual obligation. They owe no DUTY to you or anyone else.

If they are profiting off of the server, then yes, please do bitch. I'm not kissing up to rogean/nilbog/whoever here. I think the top end raid situation sucks. Do I think it could be better? yes! Do I wish they would fix it? yes! Do I think this is more of a problem about the mentality of the people that play this server rather than the enforcement of variance / FTE? yes!

You guys all have your minds made up on how it should be. Some people disagree. Luckily for the people who run this show, they don't have to listen to you because they don't owe you anything. If you leave this server, I doubt they would care.

[Scior]

I worked for a large IT company for 6 years as a Systems engineer, and the billing rate to our client (An oil company) was $130/hr for my time. Obviously I did not get paid that myself as the IT company took the bulk of it.

There is nothing uncommon about $150+ being the value of Rogean's or anyone else's time. And just because he may not get paid that much himself, does not diminish the value of his time and the value of the time he puts into the server.

Btw, Rogean, Nilbog, anyone else for that, I am currently seeking a Systems engineer/IT manager position in the Miami FL area if you guys know anybody. Just moved here a couple months ago from Southern Ohio for a change of life. Send me a PM if you do! Otherwise, thanks again for running the server!

And before anyone thinks that is dumb of me to ask. 8 years ago I met a guy in World of Warcraft. We got to know each other a bit in game from playing in the same guild. Turned out he was a VP of a security company outside of NYC and I was only about 30 minutes away from the location, he hired me to work for him!

[Alawen]

This thread took a fascinating turn with the inclusion of estimated hourly values for the development team. We're about 3 1/2 years into this experiment. I would estimate the sweat equity at somewhere around half a million dollars. That might sound like a lot, but honestly in business terms this project has been amazingly efficient in hourly productivity.

If I were senior management at Sony or Blizzard, I'd be looking into acquiring this development team.

[August]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread took a fascinating turn with the inclusion of estimated hourly values for the development team. We're about 3 1/2 years into this experiment. I would estimate the sweat equity at somewhere around half a million dollars. That might sound like a lot, but honestly in business terms this project has been amazingly efficient in hourly productivity.

If I were senior management at Sony or Blizzard, I'd be looking into acquiring this development team.

I think the biggest thing here is that when people put their hourly rate in here, they're actually working on the project the whole time. Whereas at work, I might put in 2 hours of real work on my 8 hour day [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you have qualified people who would take over their positions in a second, given the opportunity, and they are not fulfilling the obligations of their volunteer assignment, what else do you call it but not doing their jobs?

What would you think of a volunteer firefighter who didn't fight fires? I would say, "that man is not doing his job."

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you got a point there

[nilbog]

It is naive to assume you can appease tens of thousands of people better than anyone else. If you haven't tried it, you certainly should.

Closed.