What is Anarchy?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

impotent i don't think i would disagree with, at least in the world as it stands..

masturbatory intellectual probably has a basis in a true reflection of your impression of what he chooses to talk about. he repeats what he has said before a LOT.

approaching senility is without a doubt, the man is ancient. but I saw him speak live at the paramount in oakland a couple weeks ago and the man appeared to me (somewhat trained in spotting demetia, alzheimers, etc.) to be sharp as a fucking tack. he worked the room like a true professional, didn't miss a beat, got rid of the people telling him he was over time with an equal measure of contempt and grace, and kept an entire auditorium rapt for 2 hours.

none of what you say in your passive aggressive quote of me in any way speaks to any real critique of the work the man has done, nor even a basic understanding of it.

What works? He writes and lectures and pacifies the left like a good gatekeeper. I mean the only salient points the guy makes are in reference to wars and it doesn't take a genius to take the position he does. He fills peoples heads with an unattainable idea.

[Hasbinbad]

dude, I'm not going to engage meaningless platitudes.

[Nihilist_santa]

You just did. How is that word of the day calender working out for you? :P

You mention his "works" but make no reference to what these are. This is what happens when people get their ideas from hack bands like Rage Against the Machine.

[Hasbinbad]

meaningful yet general critique: noam chomsky may slip into rhetoric when describing the united states and minimize the role of totalitarianism in soviet communism when describing the cold war.

meaningless platitude: chomsky has invalid positions

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the work the man has done

First of all, I didn't say "his works," as in a list of literature, although he has quite an extensive bibliography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_bibliography

I said "the work the man has done," and by that I mean: all of his literary works; the immense amount of research he has done to acquire the background necessary to even think about things on his level, much less write those thoughts down in a manner that is somehow barely cohesive to the lay person; the debates he has participated in and speeches he has given; the self-examination it required to take his positions on Israel; the hundreds and thousands of newspapers, journals, and magazines he has digested; the courses he has taught; the departments he has chaired..

The list goes the fuck on. That dude accomplished more in any given month of his life than any ten people accomplish in their lifetime. How dare you question the work of Noam Chomsky? Disagree with him if you feel that is necessary, but do so specifically, and only after critical thinking. Only a great fool would speak with disdain about such a person.

And you accuse me of the shallow critique? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF BRO

[Nihilist_santa]

I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread? The invalidation of anarchist ideas due to the inevitable tendency for systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.

Tribes arrange themselves in various orders and create social hierarchies so even on the small scale where it works (but only in isolation) it is still never a true anarchist system.

You could not have an anarchist system (god the contradictions in that term) unless it encompassed everything. You think an anarchist country for lack of a better term would be able to maintain that system with outside pressures from trade or foreign military? It is a pipe dream because it requires everyone to buy into it.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What works? He writes and lectures and pacifies the left like a good gatekeeper. I mean the only salient points the guy makes are in reference to wars and it doesn't take a genius to take the position he does. He fills peoples heads with an unattainable idea.

this is stupid

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, I didn't say "his works," as in a list of literature, although he has quite an extensive bibliography: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_bibliography

I said "the work the man has done," and by that I mean: all of his literary works; the immense amount of research he has done to acquire the background necessary to even think about things on his level, much less write those thoughts down in a manner that is somehow barely cohesive to the lay person; the debates he has participated in and speeches he has given; the self-examination it required to take his positions on Israel; the hundreds and thousands of newspapers, journals, and magazines he has digested; the courses he has taught; the departments he has chaired..

The list goes the fuck on. That dude accomplished more in any given month of his life than any ten people accomplish in their lifetime. How dare you question the work of Noam Chomsky? Disagree with him if you feel that is necessary, but do so specifically, and only after critical thinking. Only a great fool would speak with disdain about such a person.

And you accuse me of the shallow critique? LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF BRO

this is correct

[Nihilist_santa]

AS a linguist the guy knows his shit. As a political critic he offers no true solution and garners his support from burnouts.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread? The invalidation of anarchist ideas due to the inevitable tendency for systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.

It's hard to take you seriously. I'll just take this paragraph for example, because the other two are built upon this kind of thinking and I don't have a lot more time.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you don't bother to put into context the rest of my statements throughout the thread?

I don't know what you mean by this at all. I've address what you've said. I cannot guess at some implied context.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The invalidation of anarchist ideas

This never happened. Nobody has ever invalidated "anarchist ideas." If you ever invalidate "anarchist ideas," go pick up your prizes and honorary doctorates to the most prestigious of universities.

But to be more specific to YOUR point:

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

due to the inevitable tendency for systems

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

systems to become centralized over time before breaking up again. A kind of move from disorder to order.

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

You can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously.

Electron spin is controlled by alpha waves emitted by our brains.

See?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to take you seriously. I'll just take this paragraph for example, because the other two are built upon this kind of thinking and I don't have a lot more time.

I don't know what you mean by this at all. I've address what you've said. I cannot guess at some implied context.

This never happened. Nobody has ever invalidated "anarchist ideas." If you ever invalidate "anarchist ideas," go pick up your prizes and honorary doctorates to the most prestigious of universities.

But to be more specific to YOUR point:

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

bolded: citation needed. this is a meaningless platitude without some kind of further explanation.

You can't just say things and expect people to take you seriously.

Electron spin is controlled by alpha waves emitted by our brains.

See?

You are the one masquerading as an intellectual here so perhaps you should study people like Plato before jumping into Anarchism which you obviously do not understand. Specifically you can delve into Plato's cycle of decline of regimes from the Republic. Should have been required reading for someone like you.