My America

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What, that more government programs or the large amount of existing programs are really-really bad? We don't need FDR or Reagan, we don't need government control to this existing extent. For every one government job created, two existing private sector jobs are destroyed. Whatever you think of Reagan, his statement was correct.

Obviously "someone" doesn't understand how to support an argument.

[blizzil]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, you couldn't cut through that kind of blind hatred with a plasma cutter. I'm pretty sure Reagan ran over this guys puppy.

He is the epitome of corporate greed upon all costs. They've become to powerful. Everyone is worried about big govt when its Corporations that have infiltrated our law making process which saw presided over a 3 decade long destruction of our labor force and manufacturing base to China.

Those policies destroyed the middle class and drove the country into a ditch.

Unfettered and unregulated corporate power is the single greatest threat to the republic.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously "someone" doesn't understand how to support an argument.

Answer what? You are being vague. About Reagans foreign trade?!? ..which was meant to derail my point. You are just doing the same thing as the other guy.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Answer what? You are being vague. About Reagans foreign trade?!? ..which was meant to derail my point. You are just doing the same thing as the other guy.

You quoted Reagan. You stated that he was correct. I'm just asking how that premise is supported other than you stating that it's true.

[waldo]

This thread makes my head hurt... So much fighting so many things that are inaccurate. I am an American, and I am proud to be an American as a member of the society, yet not so proud of my country, if that makes sense at all. You point fingers at the guy who said he was a mohawk and flame him for stating what he feels. Yes it is your right to flame, but don't tell him what opinion he can or cannot have. When settlers came to the Americas they brought sickness and destruction. The natives viewed the land as a place shared by all, so when people purchased the land the concept made no sense. They got screwed. Then America gave them land set aside specifically for them, yet when the government found that land to be useful they took it back and gave the natives worse land. Have you been to a reservation? Its like a third world country you can't say that to be a native american is extremely rewarding.

America is based on freedom, well the idea of freedom, but when did it become ok to hold people without trial for an indefinite amount of time. Its in the freaking constitution that people deserve a fair trial, yet when the patriot act passed it took that right away. The government can seize you, your posessions, tap your phone, on a whim. I love my country but the government is going to shit. We are losing our rights, and anymore the principles that guided it in the first place are no longer in effect. We point fingers at other countries and look down our noses at them, but what makes us so great? We are all humans on this earth trying to live. Yes America helped in ww1 and ww2, but there are just as bad atrocities going on in the world now that America turns a blind eye to. There is still ethnic cleansing going on in places, but those places don't affect us so we leave them be. Out of sight out of mind. I'm not saying we should be policing them but don't go saying that we are so grand at helping people around the world when some who really need it are getting a cold shoulder.

Also it is nice that we have charities for other counties, yet we still have a huge homeless problem here. The education is lacking, and the economy is down as well. People can only take so much before they have had enough. The value of the dollar is falling and the only thing backing it up is the government. I can agree with america being an experiment though, its been around less time than other empires and countries. Look at rome for example. People will only put up with so much. I will quote v for vendetta by saying "people should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people."

[Theldios]

Originally Posted by Excision Rottun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right....

Except we have significant communities of Sudanese, Somalian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Pakistani, (including both large Hindu and Sikh groups), Philippine, Lebanese, etc, etc

Do your research, then you can holla.

Well if you want to talk about ethnic diversity lets just count only the Latino population in America VS all ethnic populations in Canada
Latinos in USA 42.7 million
Total amount of ethnic groups in Canada 11 million.
if we were to count all the ethnic groups in the USA it would be =to if not more than the total population of Canada which is 33 million compared to USA total population of 309 million (as per last us census)

Lets look at GNP and compare shall we
Canada GNP 1.29 trillion
USA GNP 14.72 Trillion 11 X more than Canada

I am sure I can cite many many more ways that I believe that the USA has much more to offer than Canada to a prospective citizen but hey I am probably about to be called biased or racist or some such thing over believing I still live in the greatest country on the planet.
Sure we have our flaws and he who is w/o theirs can cast the 1st stone.
But the great thing about America is we over come all adversity to in the end come out better than ever before it is happened time and time again in our history. When we are at our lowest that our people (and I mean all of them) pick them selves up by the boot straps and get their asses to working on making our America a better place for everyone. We will hit that low sometime in the future and I hope we prove all you nay sayers wrong once again.
God Bless the USA and God bless you all cause where one achieves others will follow

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by Theldios [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well if you want to talk about ethnic diversity lets just count only the Latino population in America VS all ethnic populations in Canada
Latinos in USA 42.7 million
Total amount of ethnic groups in Canada 11 million.
if we were to count all the ethnic groups in the USA it would be =to if not more than the total population of Canada which is 33 million compared to USA total population of 309 million (as per last us census)

Lets look at GNP and compare shall we
Canada GNP 1.29 trillion
USA GNP 14.72 Trillion 11 X more than Canada

I am sure I can cite many many more ways that I believe that the USA has much more to offer than Canada to a prospective citizen but hey I am probably about to be called biased or racist or some such thing over believing I still live in the greatest country on the planet.
Sure we have our flaws and he who is w/o theirs can cast the 1st stone.
But the great thing about America is we over come all adversity to in the end come out better than ever before it is happened time and time again in our history. When we are at our lowest that our people (and I mean all of them) pick them selves up by the boot straps and get their asses to working on making our America a better place for everyone. We will hit that low sometime in the future and I hope we prove all you nay sayers wrong once again.
God Bless the USA and God bless you all cause where one achieves others will follow

I dunno, I mean GSP has some decent GnP and he's from Canada. I mean it's not russian GnP (Fedor), but it gets the job done.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You quoted Reagan. You stated that he was correct. I'm just asking how that premise is supported other than you stating that it's true.

Just like I stated earlier, the more government regulation, the more the mom-n-pop gets hurt. I didn't only quote Reagen, but mentioned the founding fathers as well. Government does nothing right. It had very limited power compared to today, as even a large consensus is protesting now. Of course even back then, there were supporters of king George, and today there are those that want the gov to be their wet nurse. No more kings!

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like I stated earlier, the more government regulation, the more the mom-n-pop gets hurt. I didn't only quote Reagen, but mentioned the founding fathers as well. Government does nothing right. It had very limited power compared to today, as even a large consensus is protesting now. Of course even back then, there were supporters of king George, and today there are those that want the gov to be their wet nurse. No more kings!

Right so i guess we should be going back to private firemen and such [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This anti-government everything is silly coming from americans, like everything a government touches is going to fail. Here in Montreal we have a 4 story high central library with 100 year old documents everyone can access and tons of data on microfiles, thats the kind of things society projects can give birth too.
Governments arent inherently bad, its just a way for things to get done collectively. Its easy to see that when for-profit invades everything, only a couple of people "win" and alot of people "lose" like making healthcare a money making industry.
You can have bad governments but doing things collectively isnt inherently bad. Like the firemen example, it can work on alot of levels.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right so i guess we should be going back to private firemen and such [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This anti-government everything is silly coming from americans, like everything a government touches is going to fail. Here in Montreal we have a 4 story high central library with 100 year old documents everyone can access and tons of data on microfiles, thats the kind of things society projects can give birth too.
Governments arent inherently bad, its just a way for things to get done collectively. Its easy to see that when for-profit invades everything, only a couple of people "win" and alot of people "lose" like making healthcare a money making industry.
You can have bad governments but doing things collectively isnt inherently bad. Like the firemen example, it can work on alot of levels.

Well that's what the peeps from the north tried to tell us in 1812, but how did that work out for you guys, ay? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

btw Canadian health care = bus ticket south lol fuels our economy to help keep prices low and availability high. Canadians live another day. win-win. Don't worry, come November our existing health care system will be back on track as 0bama-care gets thrown out. Canadians will continue to have access to the best care in the world here :thumbsup: Personally, I get the inclination that 0bama wants this new system so to kill off all the Canadians thus have access to their resources. But we luv Canadians ...as long as when they come here they come in legally [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This anti-government everything is silly coming from americans, like everything a government touches is going to fail.

And for the record, I'm not a 15yo Anarchist. There is a diff between anti-gov and pro- constitutional gov. Our founding docs preeetty much go along with the "everything a government touches is going to fail" idea.