not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by kaleran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing variance won't help that much. All those alts that are camped out now at each spawn for all these raid mobs? Yeah, they'll be logged in. Only now you'll have to compete with 100 members since they know *exactly* when they pop. It'll be an AE spam fest to get FTE, just like it was pre-variance. Unless TMO wants to allow a rotation. (And yes, TMO would have to be the one allowing the rotation. The GM's already stated that any solution will have to be player-enforced, so as the top dogs we either have to kick TMO's ass or hope they let us play in their sandbox).

Weekly repops help since the forces have to be spread out amongst multiple targets. Doesn't help the smaller guilds get a shot at Trak/Inny/CT though. The larger guilds will just train and kite the adds to the bosses, since they're always top of the target order.

this point has been brought up by myself and countless others, but people still insist removing variance will fix the raid scene here. Removing variance is only classic if the content/progression is classic. At no point on live were there this many level 60's and the amount of gear we have here when kunark was the prime raiding continent, period.

To get more in line with classic, variance has to be removed in conjunction with more content becoming available and even then we still have more of an advantage over what we had on live.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by kaleran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing variance won't help that much. All those alts that are camped out now at each spawn for all these raid mobs? Yeah, they'll be logged in. Only now you'll have to compete with 100 members since they know *exactly* when they pop. It'll be an AE spam fest to get FTE, just like it was pre-variance. Unless TMO wants to allow a rotation. (And yes, TMO would have to be the one allowing the rotation. The GM's already stated that any solution will have to be player-enforced, so as the top dogs we either have to kick TMO's ass or hope they let us play in their sandbox).

Weekly repops help since the forces have to be spread out amongst multiple targets. Doesn't help the smaller guilds get a shot at Trak/Inny/CT though. The larger guilds will just train and kite the adds to the bosses, since they're always top of the target order.

What he said. Sorry there is no good solution no matter what happens. Even if TMO quits, FE takes their place, then BDA, etc. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hours, schmours. There'd be at least one server repop at random-or-strategic times each month. And fair is fair.

repops could exist along side variance, the two aren't mutually exclusive

[Lyra]

I don't care if removing variance helps or not. This variance is not classic. With the attempt to make everything else classic, the variance is a big fail.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by feanan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I watched TMO "mobilize" for trak yesterday.

I was at zone in. There were like 5 people in zone. I saw ONE tmo zone in. Next thing you know, there were 40 TMO in zone.

So, yeah, I guess if camping out characters at the contested spawns and logging them in is your idea of "racing" or "mobilizing"

How fucking fun.

I mean, how much "raiding" does TMO do in a week? One min to log on, 3 mins to kill, 1 min to rebuff and log. So, for all stuff they kill, they probably raid an hour a week.

What's really funny is that FE was raid suspended for this Trak. That was us taking our time.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's really funny is that FE was raid suspended for this Trak. That was us taking our time.

FE was raid suspended? I don't keep up.

If that was the case, why wasn't TMO offering raid mobs to the other guilds?

Let me go find a quote. Be back shortly.

[Lyra]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...light=Variance

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO leadership would be and already is 100% fine if guilds want to contact us ahead of time and say they want to go after an outdoor dragon.

Not saying you have to ask for permission just let's us know not to track it or bat phone it.

Problem is and I don't mean this as offense divinity and other more casual guilds can not effectively compete with FE.

Not to be a slam against FE but they have a lot of new hungry members who need gear from these mobs and will race you 100% on every one.

This puts TMO in a situation where we are just allowing our direct competition access to upgrades and plat sales that we don't want them to have access too.

TMO has a bad rap and a lot of it is deserving but and I can say this truly that if a guild is not antognistic towards us we will be beneficent towards them.

The problem is again FE VDA IB TR there all the same group of core members floating from guild to guild so it makes us look like we are picking on smaller guild.

We currently let some members if taken raid VP with us and I 100% know if divinity needed help on a mob lots of us would lend a hand.

Anyways look up our endangered species program and if you can get FE to agree to not attempt a mob I'm sure TMO will do the same.

Maybe not trak or CT~

Also if you want Inny I want to roll on a mage staff for my alt ~~~~

This would have been a really good week to repair guild / server relations.

You need a new PR rep.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neither are repops and the removal (reduction) of Variance which is the solution that Nilbog and Rogean made that has been quoted numerous times that is pretty much the basis of this entire thread.

I'm aware. I just think that adding repops and leaving variance might actually be the better solution. That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too.

[fohkure]

hey dude... plan on raiding!

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE was raid suspended? I don't keep up.

If that was the case, why wasn't TMO offering raid mobs to the other guilds?

Let me go find a quote. Be back shortly.

I told other guilds trak was up.. when said guild bphoned... tmo logged in to kill.