Is Faith In God Reasonable? Faith is Foolish Debate

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eliseus confirmed first member of rnf from westboro baptist

No lol

[Hasbinbad]

shut the fuck up bigot

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by JanitorGotGriefedOffBox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fatfuck mcdiabetes says what?

shhhh. be vewy vewy kwiet. we'we hunting noobs.

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

I love that story. The Last Answer is also quite good. http://www.thrivenotes.com/the-last-answer/

[JurisDictum]

Sigh....
There is a lot of confusion about the definition of atheism. An atheist is someone who does not believe in any gods...that is it.
Example:
Tom: Do you believe in god(s)?
Dick: No.
Tom: Are you saying you know there isn't a god?
Dick: Nope...
Tom: But you just said you don't believe god exists...
Dick: Yes, I didn't say I know (have absolute knowledge in the philosophical sense) that no Gods exist.
Tom: So you're agnostic?
Dick: Yes, an agnostic atheist.

A lot of blame lies on atheists for letting the term "agnostic" stand for some strange middle ground of belief between god or no god. Really all you're saying when you say you are "agnostic," is that you don't know. Well Tom didn't ask Dick if he knew whether god existed (most people don't), he asked what he believed.
It's simple logic, the one making a positive claim has the burden of prof. Its not up to me to prove there are no gods, anymore then it is up to me to prove there are no leprechauns. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Tell me...what extraordinary evidence have you seen?

[Alawen]

Life-long atheist philosopher suffers from dementia, suddenly believes in God. That's proof enough for me! Let's all go to church.

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of Atheist, here is what I thought was a good read.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...lieves-in-god/


Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

One of World’s Leading Atheists Now Believes in God, More or
Less, Based on Scientific Evidence


Dec. 9, 2004 - A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

Flew said he’s best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people’s lives.

“I’m thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins,” he said. “It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose.”

Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article “Theology and Falsification,” based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.

Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.

There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.

Yet biologists’ investigation of DNA “has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved,” Flew says in the new video, “Has Science Discovered God?”

The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese’s Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland’s University of St. Andrews.

The first hint of Flew’s turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain’s Philosophy Now magazine. “It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism,” he wrote.

The letter commended arguments in Schroeder’s “The Hidden Face of God” and “The Wonder of the World” by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.

This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his “God and Philosophy,” scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press.

Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well “that’s too bad,” Flew said. “My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato’s Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads.”

Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a “minimal God” and believes in no afterlife.

Flew’s “name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up,” Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew’s reversal, “apart from curiosity, I don’t think it’s like a big deal.”

Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American “intelligent design” theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.

A Methodist minister’s son, Flew became an atheist at 15.

Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all.

Another landmark was his 1984 “The Presumption of Atheism,” playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sigh....
There is a lot of confusion about the definition of atheism. An atheist is someone who does not believe in any gods...that is it.
Example:
Tom: Do you believe in god(s)?
Dick: No.
Tom: Are you saying you know there isn't a god?
Dick: Nope...
Tom: But you just said you don't believe god exists...
Dick: Yes, I didn't say I know (have absolute knowledge in the philosophical sense) that no Gods exist.
Tom: So you're agnostic?
Dick: Yes, an agnostic atheist.

A lot of blame lies on atheists for letting the term "agnostic" stand for some strange middle ground of belief between god or no god. Really all you're saying when you say you are "agnostic," is that you don't know. Well Tom didn't ask Dick if he knew whether god existed (most people don't), he asked what he believed.
It's simple logic, the one making a positive claim has the burden of prof. Its not up to me to prove there are no gods, anymore then it is up to me to prove there are no leprechauns. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Tell me...what extraordinary evidence have you seen?

This is Dawkinsian redefining of words. You're an agnostic.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is Dawkinsian redefining of words. You're an agnostic.

except for it doesn't come from Dawkin's...or his 1-7 scale that doesn't make a lot sense. Atheist = no belief in god, Anti-theist = belief there is no god.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dawkin's

Got a real winner here folks.

[Reapin]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except for it doesn't come from Dawkin's...or his 1-7 scale that doesn't make a lot sense. Atheist = no belief in god, Anti-theist = belief there is no god.

Anti-Theist are against organized religion. They can be believers or non-believers.

I am an Atheist Anti-Theist.