A simple question

[RupesTZ]

I was just thinking about how the "Forced Rotation Isn't Classic" thread didn't quite get enough responses and thus we needed another thread about how sad people are about all their "hard work" going to waste.

Hard work in a video game isn't real. Sorry to break it to you. You play this game because you enjoy it, I hope. I know you feel your rights were stomped upon by allowing others to access the content you had, but again, it's a game, allow others to have some fun too, ok?

For the record, I don't really care if we go to a rotation, or we have to fight for every boss. I played on a PvP server, so it's all good to me. But what I do know is creating another thread does NOTHING to solve the problem. And using the word "work" 17 times in a post about a game you enjoy is a bit over the top (and dramatic).

Seriously though, you sat here and typed that whole post and thought there was some original thought in it and everything. That’s my honest answer. If you don't like it I wouldn't ask for it.

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by RupesTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just thinking about how the "Forced Rotation Isn't Classic" thread didn't quite get enough responses and thus we needed another thread about how sad people are about all their "hard work" going to waste.

Hard work in a video game isn't real. Sorry to break it to you. You play this game because you enjoy it, I hope. I know you feel your rights were stomped upon by allowing others to access the content you had, but again, it's a game, allow others to have some fun too, ok?

For the record, I don't really care if we go to a rotation, or we have to fight for every boss. I played on a PvP server, so it's all good to me. But what I do know is creating another thread does NOTHING to solve the problem. And using the word "work" 17 times in a post about a game you enjoy is a bit over the top (and dramatic).

Seriously though, you sat here and typed that whole post and thought there was some original thought in it and everything. That’s my honest answer. If you don't like it I wouldn't ask for it.

Thank you for your post. I do not care if there is one or twenty or more posts. I have a right to voice my opinion and frustration. Work is work, no matter what it is, whether on a job or in a video game. The point is, those who leveled up fast, who joined others who leveled up fast, are being screwed over by certain GMs. It is a smack in the face.

I mean it's like saying you're in a race and everyone who decides to join the race later than you gets to start where you are at so that they can get to the finish line around the same time as you. That's a smack in the face.

Transcendence is being rewarded for not coming together as a guild. Failure is being rewarded here.

[Danth]

"Can't wait until we are on rotation with 4 or more guilds. We'll see how you like that."

I'm not in IB or Trans. I have friends in both guilds, and there are people I dislike in both. I mention that just to indicate my neutrality.

Let's be realistic here--there is *no* solution which will make everyone happy in the scenario I quoted. If you leave it FFA, and if guild 1 really IS the best, well, then you end up with 1 happy guild and 3 guilds full of people who get bored and probably quit playing. Put it on a rotation, and everyone is left somewhat unhappy. Old EQ has problems, and lack of sufficient content at the high-end is one of its worst. This guild trouble makes that problem brutally clear.

That you worked harder than the competition means you got to farm content for weeks before they began to catch up. That's the payoff your work earned. Surely you can't realistically expect to have maintained full lockdown even after another guild (or more) got up and running? No, I know you're more reasonable than to even suggest that. So, what did you expect to happen, realistically?

Danth

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Can't wait until we are on rotation with 4 or more guilds. We'll see how you like that."

I'm not in IB or Trans. I have friends in both guilds, and there are people I dislike in both. I mention that just to indicate my neutrality.

Let's be realistic here--there is *no* solution which will make everyone happy in the scenario I quoted. If you leave it FFA, and if guild 1 really IS the best, well, then you end up with 1 happy guild and 3 guilds full of people who get bored and probably quit playing. Put it on a rotation, and everyone is left somewhat unhappy. Old EQ has problems, and lack of sufficient content at the high-end is one of its worst. This guild trouble makes that problem brutally clear.

That you worked harder than the competition means you got to farm content for weeks before they began to catch up. That's the payoff your work earned. Surely you can't realistically expect to have maintained full lockdown even after another guild (or more) got up and running? No, I know you're more reasonable than to even suggest that. So, what did you expect to happen, realistically?

Danth

Hi Danth. No, that is not my reasoning. It's may the best guild win. I think it's possible for Transcendence to get its act together and be on competing level. I think it's possible for any group of players to get together and challenge any top guild.

Putting guilds on rotation eliminates this. It allows groups of people to put minimal effort. Of course Transcendence, in its current form, is happy with this. Wouldn't you be if you were in that guild? You don't have to do anything except accomplish your goals for that day that you are assigned and the spawn/plane is just given to you regardless of whether or not you earned it.

Then comes a third guild that wants in on the action. Cut the pie some more and so forth. I hope you'd see where I am getting at.

Transcendence is using this as a way to break IB up too. If they were in our position they'd feel the same way.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That you worked harder than the competition means you got to farm content for weeks before they began to catch up. That's the payoff your work earned. Surely you can't realistically expect to have maintained full lockdown even after another guild (or more) got up and running? No, I know you're more reasonable than to even suggest that. So, what did you expect to happen, realistically?

Danth

Danth, I don't know if you were around at the time, but right as we became raid ready (well before anyone else), the server was experiencing ddos, server xfer, and many of the mobs and areas were buggy or broken.

When that settles down, all the sudden big zerg wants a piece as if they were equals. Look, I detail all of this in other posts. You should check it out before you stick yer nose in poop.

[Greldor]

Seriously, all this QQing about "zerging". . .


We have an active player count of 200-300 at any given time. The encounters were tailored to 72 person raids. So, with our game experience this can be done with much less.


What constitutes "Zerging?"

Having more members show up?

Having more members?

Why do you care how many people shows up for a guild event?

Are you jealous?

Do you have different preferences in guild recruitment?

Do you need to recruit more?

Again, why do you care?

I guess I just don't understand how having a lot of guildies online and ready to help on a low population server is a bad thing, or dishonorable, or whatever you people think it is.

[Danth]

"The encounters were tailored to 72 person raids."

That's Planes of Power. Pre-expansion raids were, depending on the zone, anywhere from ~1 groupable (Fear trash) to 24-30 people or so, to unkillable (latter half of Plane of Sky). Just a slight correction!

Hasbin: I've been here since day 2. I'm well aware that much of the content you faced was broken. I've encountered plenty of broken content myself, even outside raids. Being a sort of beta tester was always part and parcel for the EQ bleeding edge. That's not to say it's right or fair, but rather, pragmatically it should be expected.

Dartagnan: You're right, as more guilds come up, EQ's lack of high-end content will only become more or a problem. However, I do not see any system fully solving that problem to everyone's satisfaction.

Danth

[Blaine Brokenhammer]

Zerging refers to a guild that has such little skill/quality players in it that thier only answer to beating an encounter is invite more people....

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The encounters were tailored to 72 person raids."

That's Planes of Power. Pre-expansion raids were, depending on the zone, anywhere from ~1 groupable (Fear trash) to 24-30 people or so, to unkillable (latter half of Plane of Sky). Just a slight correction!

Hasbin: I've been here since day 2. I'm well aware that much of the content you faced was broken. I've encountered plenty of broken content myself, even outside raids. Being a sort of beta tester was always part and parcel for the EQ bleeding edge. That's not to say it's right or fair, but rather, pragmatically it should be expected.

Dartagnan: You're right, as more guilds come up, EQ's lack of high-end content will only become more or a problem. However, I do not see any system fully solving that problem to everyone's satisfaction.

Danth

I think it depends on how you look at it. Instead of QQing to the GMs to set up a forced rotation, maybe Transcendence should look at WHY they are falling behind.

Transcendence should have been the top on the server had they been able to level up faster and bring together their people. They were by far the first up and coming guild at the beginning. Instead, IB is being punished for being better organized.

Instead of all this rotation crap, maybe they should look at the reasons WHY they are failing and then improve them. By QQing to Wenai and Aeolwind, they literally are pointing the finger and saying this guild is too good, please help us because we are not willing to improve ourselves.

The server is still young that any group of individuals who are dedicated could seriously compete with us and you know what? We would welcome it instead of this rotation garbage.

[Zexa]

Greldor you're right. If I ever use it, I use it in jest. The way guilds govern themselves is something completely up to them. Trans is far from a zerg guild. It could be used jokingly given the ratio of guild membership to the server population, but not in membership versus content. Winning is winning. I've been on a 100 man Avatar of War raid(Now that was a zerg!).

Did someone else use zerg or was that extracted from my picture post? That was mostly targeted to Supreme(the leadership) being a retard and still flourishing.