not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're being silly if you think a lot of players (not even just the ones in TMO) don't have a fleet of high level characters, many of which stay parked at highly contested raid targets as well. This server is old, the content is stagnant, and getting to 60 isn't that difficult. Plus the amount of account buying/selling that goes on makes it incredibly easy to just buy alts for raiding.

More to the point though, Gore is not highly contested because it's a difficult kill and the drops aren't great. You can't use Gore as a comparable to other high end raid targets.

RBB, White Dragon Scales, Hierophant`s Crook, DHB...yea what a bunch of crap that doesn't sell. What a great testimony to your veteran server knowledge (all it takes it a wiki search bro). And given that Gore is down the day it spawns, it clearly is contested.
I have no doubt that there are many TMO members (but not all) that have several alts. I just simply call BS on the story about full raid forces of alts camped at every raid target. Maybe they T-Staff naggy like on my old server, [or check a few other easy targets every 3-4 hours..otherwise, I'll believe it when I see it.
All of which is beside the point. Which is that top raid guilds have always dominated most the top content. That is what EQ was until instancing. There is nothing especially greedy about TMO from what I've seen. The only thing different about p1999 from live, is the time between expansions. If the server was Luclin era, people would be bitching about TMO alts camping AoW for cash between their VT raids. If TMO didn't exist it would FE or some other guild. If no guild locked down Kurnark dragons (whether this era or any other till post GoD), than some group of players would regardless.
These complaints are about causal vs dedicated players..nothing more.

[Bazia]

if u dont believe there are full raid forces camped out on a huge majority of targets or within 2-3 minutes of a target then you are stupid and/or new

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RBB, White Dragon Scales, Hierophant`s Crook, DHB...yea what a bunch of crap that doesn't sell. What a great testimony to your veteran server knowledge (all it takes it a wiki search bro).

I know what Gore drops, dum dum. None of that stuff is an epic drop that can be banked and/or ransomed off for a 300k+ pay off. There are epics in this game that are almost completely bottlenecked by the "dedicated players." How many Necro/Mage/Wiz/Ranger epics have you see in your 2 whole months on P99? I personally see drastically less on P99 than there were during the Kunark->Velious time frame on Live, regardless of the fact that this content has been stagnant for years and the mobs that drop those items could be easily dispatched by casual guilds if they didn't have to fight trains, poopsocks and pre-parked alt armies to get them. If one or two "dedicated" guilds didn't have a bottleneck on this stuff, those epics would by realistically obtainable by way more people than just the population of TMO and FE.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The big problem is that TMO, FE are just raiding the shit out of top mobs to equip there 4th or 5th alt now. And to sell shit for silly ass prices in the tunnel. While the lesser guilds have their main sucking hind tit. That's what pisses people off.

I have no clue what the answer is other than TMO and FE just take a vacation for a month or two. I mean how much shit do you really need??[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your info is a bit off. 90% of FE mains still need gear off raid mobs, tmo has had kunark locked down for 2 years now, they should just be banned from raiding outside VP till velious.

[Splorf22]

Gorenaire drops items that are worth less than the spore king on average, and is the hardest raid mob outside of VP. Clearly your seeing this high-risk/low reward mob up once for an hour or two before it died is proof that all raid mobs are available most of the time.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gorenaire drops items that are worth less than the spore king on average, and is the hardest raid mob outside of VP. Clearly your seeing this high-risk/low reward mob up once for an hour or two before it died is proof that all raid mobs are available most of the time.

Most recently:
FE downed gore with 33, which is about our average raid force.
She dropped a shield which is amazing for VP frost wurms, a scale which will eventually be used for someones epic, and some other items which I forget. If TMO had gotten this kill these items would be on the market in EC within hours. Dont believe me? Zone into EC when zeelot or eccezan is there.

Yet when FE gets a kill all loot is used by mains who need, how are we even placed in the same category as TMO? For christs sake they are running a pay to play scheme in VP meanwhile anyone not in TMO will have to wait months after velious is out to even go there unless they pay TMO or spend hours training against their 100 character raid force just to get an attempt at a dragon.


The problem.on p99 isn't mechanics, raid mobs spawn time, or anything thr GMs can change. P99s problem is TMO, has been for years. When people realize this on a grand scale maybe they will join forces and rid p99 of its cancer.

[enr4ged]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RBB, White Dragon Scales, Hierophant`s Crook, DHB...yea what a bunch of crap that doesn't sell. What a great testimony to your veteran server knowledge (all it takes it a wiki search bro). And given that Gore is down the day it spawns, it clearly is contested.
I have no doubt that there are many TMO members (but not all) that have several alts. I just simply call BS on the story about full raid forces of alts camped at every raid target. Maybe they T-Staff naggy like on my old server, [or check a few other easy targets every 3-4 hours..otherwise, I'll believe it when I see it.
All of which is beside the point. Which is that top raid guilds have always dominated most the top content. That is what EQ was until instancing. There is nothing especially greedy about TMO from what I've seen. The only thing different about p1999 from live, is the time between expansions. If the server was Luclin era, people would be bitching about TMO alts camping AoW for cash between their VT raids. If TMO didn't exist it would FE or some other guild. If no guild locked down Kurnark dragons (whether this era or any other till post GoD), than some group of players would regardless.
These complaints are about causal vs dedicated players..nothing more.

Speaking of TMO...

350k for green scales
500k for bard epic piece

And those are just the ones I've personally witnessed over the past 2 weeks.

Yeah, that is the definition of greedy. It's one thing to use items for mains but when you see them tossing off green scales for 350k and bard epic pieces for 500k it's greedy, and at that point it's less about the actual game and really shady...

[arsenalpow]

Like 750 for slime blood (necro epic)

[quido]

Insert comment from Sominus about Ramen Noodles

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most recently:
FE downed gore with 33, which is about our average raid force.
She dropped a shield which is amazing for VP frost wurms, a scale which will eventually be used for someones epic, and some other items which I forget. If TMO had gotten this kill these items would be on the market in EC within hours. Dont believe me? Zone into EC when zeelot or eccezan is there.

Yet when FE gets a kill all loot is used by mains who need, how are we even placed in the same category as TMO? For christs sake they are running a pay to play scheme in VP meanwhile anyone not in TMO will have to wait months after velious is out to even go there unless they pay TMO or spend hours training against their 100 character raid force just to get an attempt at a dragon.


The problem.on p99 isn't mechanics, raid mobs spawn time, or anything thr GMs can change. P99s problem is TMO, has been for years. When people realize this on a grand scale maybe they will join forces and rid p99 of its cancer.

Originally Posted by enr4ged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of TMO...

350k for green scales
500k for bard epic piece

And those are just the ones I've personally witnessed over the past 2 weeks.

Yeah, that is the definition of greedy. It's one thing to use items for mains but when you see them tossing off green scales for 350k and bard epic pieces for 500k it's greedy, and at that point it's less about the actual game and really shady...

Yep, 2 years of this shit now. When will it be enough really?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like 750 for slime blood (necro epic)

Pathetic greed at its finest, what would you propose we do to change such scummy aspects of the p99 raid scene since the GMs have stated many times that its up to the players to make changes.