Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Anesthia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think your ECquest immersion would be ruined by not being able to sell accounts openly.

Account escrow and brokerage was my main money maker when i was active. I do understand not wanting to see account sales in EC..which I no longer do. But aside from that I don't see how it hurts anyone.

Whatever happens happens tho. My opinion doesn't matter regardless.

[smokemon]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's absolutely asinine for people to come in here and say things like, "Why do you care about account selling? It doesn't change the way you play the game. Let people have fun and play the game the way they want."

This is simply not the case. The rampant buying and selling of accounts has major implications at all levels of the game, from casual to hardcore, 1-60.

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account
2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason
3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets
4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players
5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do
6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place
7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased
8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

Imagine P1999 as being a nice public park that people can come enjoy, hang out, have picnics, fly kites, throw footballs, etc... generally do whatever they want.

People defending account sales would be like if a bunch of rednecks drove into the park in 4x4s and started doing donuts in the grass and running over bushes and generally making a wreck of the place, and told everyone else to fuck off because, "I'm enjoying the park the way I want to!"

^^

[orsk]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The majority of us, it would seem :P

the majority of you are jealous haters.

[orsk]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Account escrow and brokerage was my main money maker when i was active. I do understand not wanting to see account sales in EC..which I no longer do. But aside from that I don't see how it hurts anyone.

Whatever happens happens tho. My opinion doesn't matter regardless.

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

[Faerie Blossom]

Originally Posted by orsk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

I just had to say lol, I don't understand what this means. And why are bluebies always so rude? :/

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by orsk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well said, I am perplexed by people looking at the poll which doesn't reflect at all a majority of this server and wanting to call it law, that one moron farie blossum is even cupping the balls on this one.

Needless to say if this does get initiated as a new rule im definitely quitting p99. i dont even do the whole buy sell accounts for gain but i think people should have the option. I dont care what reason you think account selling is bad for, its a fucking choice get over it.

Account selling will become against the rules, it is just a matter of time here. This poll has nothing to do with it, staff has said they don't like the fact that it goes on and as soon as they can enforce a rule against it they will implement it.

If that is really going to drive you to quit, you may want to get a head start on the sleeper.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) It eliminates the importance of reputation, since a banned player can simply buy a new account

Reduces, does not eliminate (by a long shot).

Why are you equating reputation and bans anyways? Players can have bad reps without getting banned and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) Encourages cheating, for the same reason

Cheaters gonna cheat, regardless.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) Turns the raid scene into a farce that is largely based on accumulating accounts and camping them out at raid targets

Raid scene is a mess, but ending account sales now won't fix it cause there are already a million accounts ready to raid spread amongst the raiding players. Plus the people who are hardcore enough to farm the pp to buy and gear multiple raid accounts are just going to level/PL them once account sales are banned anyway.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4) Artificially de-populates the lower levels of the game since fewer people level alts, which hurts new players

Right. Cause ANY of the people who had the plat to buy accounts and lacked the motivation to level a character themselves are suddenly going to do 1-60 in full groups in oasis with a bunch of untwinked newbies instead of leveling solo+twinked and/or getting PLed.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5) Contributes to the top-heavy nature of the server since accounts don't necessarily leave when players do

Not sure that this is exactly a problem, per se, especially not one that deserves staff intervention.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

6) Is a major conduit for RMT, and is much more difficult to detect since suspicious in-game transfers don't need to take place

Maybe. I doubt you would know this. I suspect you're just speculating for the sake of another # on your list.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

7) Artificially increases the demand and market price of mid to high-end gear, since it is being constantly bought and sold to outfit stripped chars people purchased

Those stripped characters probably didn't level to 50+ naked. So account sales simultaneously increase supply and demand for gear. You even say yourself that the gear is constantly being "bought and sold," yet try to argue that this is spiking demand. Also, again, this doesn't really sound like a problem, especially one the staff should get involved in dealing with.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

8) Eliminates feelings of community since character/player identities are so transient and ultimately meaningless

Community is what you make of it. If a person/group/guild is concerned that any random character they see is just an asshole player hiding behind newly-acquired pixels, then tighten up recruitment or something. And character/player identifies are only meaningless for the people who constantly flop into new characters (which they could do anyway, albeit by taking some time to level/pl instead of just hopping right into a new 50+ character... though seriously it takes like 1 day /played to hit 50 if you are serious about buying PL); those of us who play the same characters don't have transient/meaningless identities.




And yet again. I don't give a shit which way this goes, because I'll never buy or sell another account again. I just like to troll/argue/inspire people to find the truth by way of calling things into question.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And why are bluebies always so rude? :/

A red player making a generalization about rude blues. My world has turned upside down!

[Faerie Blossom]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A red player making a generalization about rude blues. My world has turned upside down!

Bluebies have been rude since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure. Make a single thread or post that mentions pvp and they'll jump down your throat about how the game isn't meant for pvp and all red players act like children.

So it was during classic, so it is now, and so forever it shall be.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bluebies have been rude since the beginning of time, I'm pretty sure. Make a single thread or post that mentions pvp and they'll jump down your throat about how the game isn't meant for pvp and all red players act like children.

So it was during classic, so it is now, and so forever it shall be.

I've yet to meet one decent red...

Also thanks Tecmos for taking the time to counterpoint that nonsense, since this poll and entire thread is meaningless in the end decision it just wasnt worth the bother for me.