Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing is as good as when you were younger.

It isn't even nostalgia at this point - the pinnacle of gaming (at least IMO) was 96-2003... look at the games made in that era:

System Shock 2
Thief
Half-Life
Deus Ex
Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale/Neverwinter Nights
C&C Red Alert, and other C&Cs
Starcraft
Diablo 1/2
EverQuest
Resident Evil 1-3
Final Fantasy 7,8,9,10
etc... etc...etc....

It's not even close lol

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by EchoedTruth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't even nostalgia at this point - the pinnacle of gaming (at least IMO) was 96-2003... look at the games made in that era:

System Shock 2
Thief
Half-Life
Deus Ex
Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale/Neverwinter Nights
C&C Red Alert, and other C&Cs
Starcraft
Diablo 1/2
EverQuest
Resident Evil 1-3
Final Fantasy 7,8,9,10
etc... etc...etc....

It's not even close lol

You are right... if you backtrack 5 years.
Doom/Doom2/Heretic
The Legend of Zelda LTTP
2D Metroid games.
Mother (Earthbound)
Super Mario Bros. 3/World
Sonic 2/3/Knuckles
2D Megaman games.
Final Fantasy 5/6 (Strictly superior to 8-10)
Heroes of Might and Magic III

The era when design/gameplay/story trumped graphics before everyone was OMG 3D HURRR!!!!.
A couple of the games on your list are good, but the bulk of it is laughable.

[Noselacri]

What most of those games have in common is the fact that they weren't just follwing some recipe, they were trying something new. Maybe not FF10, I dunno, but games like Half-Life, Everquest, Diablo, Baldur's gate -- these are games that were clearly made by people who loved making games and took pride in making them as good as they possibly could. It's clear that nobody does this today, the money is the guiding principle in everything that happens in the industry. This is why every game feels discount and soulless.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are right... if you backtrack 5 years.
Doom/Doom2/Heretic
The Legend of Zelda LTTP
2D Metroid games.
Mother (Earthbound)
Super Mario Bros. 3/World
Sonic 2/3/Knuckles
2D Megaman games.
Final Fantasy 5/6 (Strictly superior to 8-10)
Heroes of Might and Magic III

The era when design/gameplay/story trumped graphics before everyone was OMG 3D HURRR!!!!.
A couple of the games on your list are good, but the bulk of it is laughable.

Ehhh... I mean those are good games, don't get me wrong. But my measure of greatness = graphics + gameplay + *story* - which the ones you listed (and most games short of the RPGs of that era) are severely lacking in.

There's just no comparison between say, System Shock 2's story, and Metroid or Doom or Megaman... etc..

The graphics advances in the mid 90s allowed for games to be crafted that could create a living world / story to interact with (Deus Ex is a prime example) ... before that, there were just too many limitations to properly convey certain environments / scenes.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The era when design/gameplay/story trumped graphics before everyone was OMG 3D HURRR!!!!.

Pras to Contra, Megaman2, Sid Meyer's Covert Action (fucking awesome game), Where in the World is Carmen Sandeigo?, Civilization2, Everquest1, and any/all text based MMORPGs before EQ.

its so god damned frustrating talking to these modern "gamers" (you know, the group that started with WoW, and think they are old school) about actual good games, just to be shot down with, but it looks like shit. and also when they hear about a new game and try to convince me to play it, the first thing they always say is "omg have you seen how awesome the graphics are"

i have a buddy with a half poopy laptop that he used to play SWTOR. and he hated playing on his comp (he usually used his roommates) cause it couldnt handle the game and hed lag out in pvp. so i tell him, turn off name titles, and turn down or off the particle effects, which are over the top in that game anyway imo. and he fucking tells me "No man, those graphics are the main reason i bought the game and rolled with a caster".

/holyfuckingfacepalm

as a player in EQ, unless i was soloing, i ALWAYS had everything turned off. because even an imaginary millisecond is an advantage in pvp

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/holyfuckingfacepalm

haha

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/holyfuckingfacepalm

We miss you in our guildchat, you should stop by more often.

[Anesthia]

I have more fondness for EchoedTruth's list. Deus Ex is simply righteous. And let's not forget Zelda: OoT ('98).

When it comes down to it, when I go back and play games from the past, I'm more likely to be found in 3D environments than in a Wolfenstein map editor. If I want to visit Terra & friends again, I usually watch a TAS (tool-assisted speedrun): tasvideos.org

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Anesthia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have more fondness for EchoedTruth's list. Deus Ex is simply righteous. And let's not forget Zelda: OoT ('98).

When it comes down to it, when I go back and play games from the past, I'm more likely to be found in 3D environments than in a Wolfenstein map editor. If I want to visit Terra & friends again, I usually watch a TAS (tool-assisted speedrun): tasvideos.org

Nice call with Zelda: OoT.. totally forgot that N64 fell in that era too.

I would safely say that 96-03 was the golden era of video games. That era was where we saw the biggest experimentation and advances in gaming (Anachronox... Fallout... again, Deus Ex), the advent of 3d allowed these guys who had big dreams to finally make big, crazy, complex games. Fast forward 10 years, and we have big, overdeveloped, oversimplified games. Money watered it down.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dislike even a cosmetic cash shop. I remember in WoW when they released that $25 Celestial Steed mount, I went to orgrimmar and everyone was fucking riding one. People were making fun of them and the typical response was: "LAL dont b mad bcuz ur 2 poor to afford 1 of these sick mounts raufelmao". Like most mounts, this one wasn't even a trophy signifying any kind of accomplishment or hard work... I'm reluctant to use the word 'immersion' after it's been meme-tized, but yea, ruined my immersion.

And that was the day I lost my faith in the invisible hand of human rationality.

I think cash shops are inevitable nowadays. People want a choice in whether they fork over money each month. Even GW2 has a cash shop. The cat's out of the bag now, man. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]