Addressing the Economy (mudflation)

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Macarena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

where is the problem?

The problem is people want to climb the server's financial ladder to have all the best gear possible for their main and all the alts they want. Not being able to do this easily (WoW mentality etc) means a lot of tears, calls for a new server (where they can hyperinflate but stay on top of it), and forum rage.

I've always struggled to keep a bank balance in line with what a FBSS costs, but I get all the lesser stuff I need (racial armor and a few other nice items for alts) without having to kill myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If having a ~20% haste item or a manastone is really that 'game changing' for you, then you've lost the essence of why you came to play here :/

[Macarena]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is people want to climb the server's financial ladder to have all the best gear possible for their main and all the alts they want. Not being able to do this easily (WoW mentality etc) means a lot of tears, calls for a new server (where they can hyperinflate but stay on top of it), and forum rage.

I've always struggled to keep a bank balance in line with what a FBSS costs, but I get all the lesser stuff I need (racial armor and a few other nice items for alts) without having to kill myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If having a ~20% haste item or a manastone is really that 'game changing' for you, then you've lost the essence of why you came to play here :/

100% truth

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If having a ~20% haste item or a manastone is really that 'game changing' for you, then you've lost the essence of why you came to play here :/

God though Swish they REALLY do help. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[porigromus]

I think one thing the players will let go of their plat for is side games after they bore with current content. That is why I believe there should be potions on the EC shady dealer for a high cost that do interesting temporary things.

We don't need to create no drop rare permanent items, potions would be purchased. People would buy a potion that temporarily turns them into a random monster. This would be a customization of an old feature, monster play.

This would all players and players who are temporarily monsters to PvP for fun. I think there could be a very rare chance to become a raid boss. Think about the spice that could add to a server! A raid force would have to assemble to kill raid boss or wait till temporarily till timer runs out.

[Matasata]

Make all items no drop but sellable to vendors. Add new vendors to EC for people to sell too. Think of it as kind of a work around for a bazaar. Stock the vendors with various "wanted" items all the time but the rest poofs on server reset.

Would also need to reset what the vendors sell and buy items for.

Would completely fix the problem with out completely pissing off everyone unless you really like to flip items in EC.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by porigromus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People would buy a potion that temporarily turns them into a random monster. This would be a customization of an old feature, monster play.

I don't think this made it out of the test server, but it was awesome! You'd basically spawn as a random low level monster (below L15 I think) in any zone and have the chance to PvP a player.

I managed to kill a starting erudite in Paineel as a decaying skeleton, a couple of newbies at the log in Nektulos and even spawned inside Najena once despite the zone being empty. Great fun...griefing levels in the newbie areas made it fun to try rolling an alt there too, you'd see 3-4 mobs that were clearly players (who couldn't communicate other than moving around together) all just jump some player together [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[vulzol]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. Add a legacy npc in EC that sells legacy and/or gm event items, only make them *no-drop* versions. Items could include: prenerf guise, prenerf fungi staff, manastone, rubicite armor, RoA, da oogly stick, lr armor, etc.

The hardest thing would be to come up with a good price. For example, manastones are going for 250-300k now. If you add them to this vendor they need to sell for a bit under what a regular manastone is going for now (because it's no-trade version).

Make prices dynamically adapt to meet monetary policy goals.

[vulzol]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, very insightful. I can see it now: set up a casino NPC in a few of the starting cities. The class of accounts we are talking about -- accounts with 100's of thousands of plat -- will be drawn like moths to a flame. They will not be able to resist! After all, they.... will find it fun to stand around and dump millions of plat into an NPC they *know* is designed to be a plat sink?

Do you think about what you write, or do you just write it, and say a prayer, and then Tebow when no one laughs at you?

A casino will only siphon casual player's plat, as they hope to maybe get lucky and get to be able to compete with the top-heavy accounts and mudflated economy. That is basic. That is what real life casinos are for.

Rich people do not hustle slot machines for kicks. They do not need to be a sucker and hope they get lucky; they are *already* rich.

Casino wouldn't be for plat but for rare and/or otherwise unobtainable items that no longer drop. Thus rich players would know it's a time sink but be willing to pay the cost because some of the items (pre-nerf fungi staff) are just that valuable. Considering pre-nerf fungi staffs are running millions of plat on the open market I'd say a casino with chance to win one would suck quite a bit of money out of the economy. Would almost shed a tear for the multimillionaire on the server who hands the casino NPC 500,000 plat only to get nothing in return.

When was the casino put in on Live? SoL, PoP? Obviously not classic era but being in Kunark this long ain't classic either thus creating an economic situation that isn't classic.

Classic is more than just game mechanics + a database of npcs and items.

[xarzzardorn]

the mudflation youre talking about in this thread is a nonissue unless you think buying peridots and other vendor items should be more burdensome. platinum becoming less valuable over time is a benefit to new players, especially casters

freaking out because the numbers are so big is stupid. a trak bp or fungi tunic turnin npc would make more sense than the idiocy being spouted here

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think this made it out of the test server, but it was awesome! You'd basically spawn as a random low level monster (below L15 I think) in any zone and have the chance to PvP a player.

I managed to kill a starting erudite in Paineel as a decaying skeleton, a couple of newbies at the log in Nektulos and even spawned inside Najena once despite the zone being empty. Great fun...griefing levels in the newbie areas made it fun to try rolling an alt there too, you'd see 3-4 mobs that were clearly players (who couldn't communicate other than moving around together) all just jump some player together [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loved PM a few buddies and myself created and recreated until we were all in the same zone, ganged up and pwnd noobs for like an hour. I was a skel he was a bat and my other friend I think was a wolf. we pwnd all the noobs until they logged or recreated a dif race