Addressing the Economy (mudflation)

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well, after having thought about it, although item decay is a good mechanic in general, it doesn't actually remove platinum from circulation, just makes it circulate faster. Any kind of actual platinum sink has to involve an NPC.

Item decay would probably force half the population to quit.

Sure that would get rid of a lot of plat since its sitting on rotting accounts.

Personally never liked item decay in any game, find a sweet sword? Awesome! never use it...

[stormlord]

Here's Raph's take on mudflation from a blog entry he made in 2007:
http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/01/17/flation/

[Lagaidh]

I remember being frustrated at my old coin tricks no longer working as Velious arrived in live. I furiously nodded at a then years-old article enumerated all of the problems in a persistent game environment. Mudgimping the author called it.

It is going to be a very special recipe that can fix this Achilles Heel in MMOs: to prevent the side effects of mudflation while preserving the feeling of accomplishment when you get new abilities and items.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Not sure I like this idea, but it occurred to me:

Allow the GM's to charge a one time plat fee to check a character for RMT investigations, flags etc before you buy it.

Want to ensure the account you bought is clean? Pay a sizable plat fee and ensure that it is. That might sink some plat. Make the fee large enough to not have the GMs having to check every 30 seconds, but make it small enough so that it gets paid.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Dualform [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda wished kunark or even classic was delayed until velious was ready to go, kunark wasn't meant to last this long =/

careful, you almost backed up into a black hole of logical absurdity.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I like this idea, but it occurred to me:

Allow the GM's to charge a one time plat fee to check a character for RMT investigations, flags etc before you buy it.

Want to ensure the account you bought is clean? Pay a sizable plat fee and ensure that it is. That might sink some plat. Make the fee large enough to not have the GMs having to check every 30 seconds, but make it small enough so that it gets paid.

Typical big government type. Why not allow the market to handle it?

Sadre's Account Insurance. You pay me 500k, and I cover any losses a bum account causes you.

Why take chances with something important?

How do you know you aren't buying an account run out of some shady internet cafe in Singapore?

How do you know that the AoN you bought isn't "fake"?

You can't, that's the point. But no-worry, no-hassle: with Sadre's Account Insurance, you can trade with confidence.

500k buys you peace of mind. And you really can't put a price tag on that.

I look forward to your business, and value you not only as a customer, but I also like to think, a friend.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I like this idea, but it occurred to me:

Allow the GM's to charge a one time plat fee to check a character for RMT investigations, flags etc before you buy it.

Want to ensure the account you bought is clean? Pay a sizable plat fee and ensure that it is. That might sink some plat. Make the fee large enough to not have the GMs having to check every 30 seconds, but make it small enough so that it gets paid.

gm's discourage trading in the first place seems like that would conflict their stance...

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or..instead of enraging the veteran population...impliment one of the many reasonable solutions listed in previous pages. No drop items on venders for large amounts of plat..manastones, fungi's etc. Or a casino which while was not classic to kunark it was 'classic' to eq.

Or you can give it all to me and I will invest it wisely for our children.

Yes, very insightful. I can see it now: set up a casino NPC in a few of the starting cities. The class of accounts we are talking about -- accounts with 100's of thousands of plat -- will be drawn like moths to a flame. They will not be able to resist! After all, they.... will find it fun to stand around and dump millions of plat into an NPC they *know* is designed to be a plat sink?

Do you think about what you write, or do you just write it, and say a prayer, and then Tebow when no one laughs at you?

A casino will only siphon casual player's plat, as they hope to maybe get lucky and get to be able to compete with the top-heavy accounts and mudflated economy. That is basic. That is what real life casinos are for.

Rich people do not hustle slot machines for kicks. They do not need to be a sucker and hope they get lucky; they are *already* rich.

[Macarena]

-You can camp any item you want in the game, regardless of how much platinum you have
-There is a constant influx of new players and alts who need groups, finding groups is not a problem on this server
-So much money in the economy makes hand-outs to newbies much better then they would be otherwise
-So much money on the economy makes it easy for new players to make a good amount of money in EC buying and selling, personally I've seen 3 new players make a killing doing this in 2-4 months
-People are having a blast playing for a long time and twinking out alts


So where is the problem?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Typical big government type.

I have no idea what you're attempting to communicate.

If you're asking why "government" (read: GM) intervention would be necessary in such a system, it is because the average player has no ability to check such statuses. The closest real world analogy to this is title companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_insurance) who are allowed to freely parse government records to discern ownership. Such public access would not be allowed here.

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer

Yes, very insightful. I can see it now: set up a casino NPC in a few of the starting cities. The class of accounts we are talking about -- accounts with 100's of thousands of plat -- will be drawn like moths to a flame. They will not be able to resist! After all, they.... will find it fun to stand around and dump millions of plat into an NPC they *know* is designed to be a plat sink?

Do you think about what you write, or do you just write it, and say a prayer, and then Tebow when no one laughs at you?

A casino will only siphon casual player's plat, as they hope to maybe get lucky and get to be able to compete with the top-heavy accounts and mudflated economy. That is basic. That is what real life casinos are for.

Rich people do not hustle slot machines for kicks. They do not need to be a sucker and hope they get lucky; they are *already* rich.

The casino he is suggesting would pay out in extremely rare and otherwise unobtainable items. Yes, those playing (the very rich) would be well informed of its plat sink nature, but they view it as worthwhile given the potential payoff in terms of unique and otherwise unobtainable items.

Originally Posted by Sadre

Do you think about what you write

I'm starting to wonder if you read what he wrote.