Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[bubur]

i dont see anything but personal reasons, immersion-breaking, and 'thats not classic'

these are valid enough reasons, but can they really justify giving the GM's more to watch over and police?

all this will do is clean up the trading forum because account trading will move underground. those with newly acquired chars will have to live in fear that someone will recognize their name and petition "NOT-CLASSIC, BAN"

this and banning trading between blue and red are in the same boat. both impossible to stop. you're only talking about banning it from the forums and asking players to send in a whole bunch of accusing petitions, most of which will be inevitably be false and misleading

ie more investigation for gm's to waste time on and less devotion to shit that actually matters like curbing RMT and 2-boxing, which are still big issues.

voted no.

if account selling is banned i will stop immediately, but its brought nothing but joy to me and my chars. i enjoy seeing the ghosts ive raised going off into the wilds on their own.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

[bubur]

btw if you just want to clean up the trading forum, maybe this poll should be:

"is it time to make an account trading subforum?"

[Uggme]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

Here is where you are entirely wrong. It *IS* the place of some people to dictate game changes to affect how people play, and in relation, enjoy the game. There is an intended way of playing the game. Specifically, for this server to try it's best to re-create the classic EQ experience from 1999 - 2001. It's not an exact science, but it's one that all the developers and moderators are working towards constantly. Buying and selling accounts with excess plat to skip the time INTENDED sink was not in any of Verant's plans, nor it wasn't allowed. It was discouraged by the way the game operated back then innately (boxes and CD keys, bannable if discovered, against the EULA). It was also shunned by the overall community (Ebaying). It's clearly not a legitimate means of playing the game based on the way this server is supposed to be operating, as a classic experience

To say that they don't have the right to try and control how you play and enjoy the game is an utter lie. It's their server, it's their rules. They have even indicated that want to STOP account sales and WILL once they find an efficient way to do so.

Every game demands that you play a certain way. So does this one. Perhaps instead of constantly defending an already admittedly underhanded and not approved way of playing on the server, perhaps you should work WITH those who built this place and support how they want things to be.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

From playing mmo's since I was 12 I have learned 2 general overlying types of players exist.

1) Those who enjoy 'the grind' and take pride in leveling multiple characters.
2) Those who enjoy min/maxing their one character to hell. (This can be getting best in slot, farming a pile of money etc).

The people who fall into #1 hate then the people who fall into #2 trivialize their sense of accomplishment by buying accounts instead of leveling them.

The people who fall into #2 never understand why anyone would want to be in #1.

EQ also has a #3 category which is the EC trader who typically pisses #1 and #2 off buy never leveling past level 20, which upsets #1 and then buying/selling for all the best gear in the game without ever dealing with raids which pisses off #2.

All 3 of those people enjoy the game in their own way and it is not the place of anyone to sit on a high horse and demand the game be changed to benefit one over the other. All 3 play the game and simply invest their time differently.

In my heart, I'm an altaholic, who takes pride in leveling multiple characters that are (each and every one) emotional extensions of myself and wouldn't even consider selling.

The idea of buying someone else's character seems like buying someone's used underwear. Flithy.

[Lagaidh]

I voted no.

I have never traded, sold, or bought any account for any game I have ever played except for paying to play (like my subscription to EQ).

The reason I vote no is because of an effect I would see in Live that was quite normal. Players quit. They often left their toon to their guild. Or, quitting players might give the account to a real-life friend.

I know I am talking about giving accounts, and that takes a nasty wrinkle out of the argument, however; my opinion is that there cannot be concrete proof that platinum traded hands for the express purpose of transferring account ownership. If one can simply take that sentiment at face value, then I would submit that I'd rather the server staff not get into the business of interpreting intent when accounts change hands. There's plenty of things that I personally would rather see happen first. Velious for instance.

Just one dwarf's opinion.

I could be wrong. The staff may collect just the right kind of data that screams "account sold". If that were truly the case, then yeah, end account sales. I'd still like to see friends able to give their account to their guild or another friend... as has always been done.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Gunga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is going to miss the EC sellers spamming up the place? The same pussbags that whined when Sony put the bazaar in the game.

Heh. I'm a pussbag!

Bracing argument, by the way. You've shaken my world view with such compelling positions.

WARNING: OPINION INCOMING

Seems it boils down to this: Some folks see EQ as a place to have a community. Others see it as a single-player game with real spectators to oo and ah at their "accomplishments".

WARNING: OPINION COMPLETE

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WARNING: OPINION INCOMING

Seems it boils down to this: Some folks see EQ as a place to have a community. Others see it as a single-player game with real spectators to oo and ah at their "accomplishments".

WARNING: OPINION COMPLETE

Not an opinion, this is just fact. Best post I have seen in a long time.

[chantersale]

prime example,

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...d.php?t=107273

I traded for a 33 warrior put all my existence of work into the character.

Cloak of Flames + Fungi + other good gear.

Turns out character was RMTed by 2 owners before me and BOOM lost everything I ever earned on P1999. Hope this is a good warning to you guys character trading will eventually cost you your entire existence.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appreciate my character? Hahahaha. That's such a puerile sentiment--this romantic notion that what you do in EQ has some sort of existential meaning.

I've got news for you: all characters are just vehicles for me to have fun--and I appreciate them as such. I'm not learning any valuable life lessons by leveling another character. There is no honor in grinding and grinding and grinding--it's just what you tell yourself to make yourself feel morally superior. In my opinion the righteously indignant take this video game a bit too seriously.

So you would be OK if the server decided to grief you with trains and stuff every time they saw you? I mean there is no meaning in any of the actions in this game, your character has no meaning, they don't affect anyone else s enjoyment and we don't need rules to ensure that others don't ruin the server. We should all just play the game we want even if that game is train barkingturtle to hell and back. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]