Time to End Account Buying/Selling?

[Stinkum]

I find two-boxing to be fun and wish they allowed it here. It's not about what you personally find fun. It's what the server devs want.. and they've said quite clearly that account selling is going the way of the Dodo as soon as the first way they find out how to ban it.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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[Swish]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nilbog stated in the past that they don't care about the number of players, he just wants P99 to be an honest recreation of classic EQ.

Account sales are not classic, the sale of accounts was a ban-able offense.

The argument keeps being raised on the side of keeping account sales that it would be taking away their fun, but this server isn't meant to be a "Fun server", this is supposed to be CLASSIC.

Can't take you seriously with the top line of your sig Dirtnap... have you tried playing 1 on each server simultaneously yet?

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Uggme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the difference? The difference is still time. It takes time to power-level a character to 40. The person on the recieving end must be present and active, and the person providing the service must act as well. Additionally, power-leveledd person at 40 still has the hardest and longest part of the game to level and complete - 40 to 60. This means his or her reputation and things they do from that point forward are still of substancial value. This holds true even if someone is Powerleveled from 1 to 60. It would still take a lot of time to get there - you'd go to dungeons, interact with groups, other people, and camp named mobs for possible loot. Thus, the powerleveled individual is still earning a reputation, either good or bad.

The issue here isn't "distribution of wealth" at all. We already know that anyone with the proper time (interesting how there's a corrolation between time and growth in eq, eh?) and knowledge can make mountains of plat in EC tunnel in a relatively short amount of time, or by camping the proper mob drops for sale, or by getting in good with a guild and selling stuff that gets replaced. To bring in account sales as a means of making the plat available to anyone is a justification only, not a legitimate reason to keep it around.

Is your entire case against selling accounts based on having people who appear at level 60 without any social network or reputation?

I find it hard to believe that anyone is going to walk into the server and buy a level 60 account unless they RMT, which in that case RMT is the issue not buying accounts with plat.

Now if you think someone is going to log into the server and have their friend hand them a lvl 60 account, well that is never going to get caught unless we only allow 1 ip per account which would 1) be unmanageable 2) make people who play from home & work unable to do so.

If you think it is about time, there are multiple PL services who can get you to lvl 50 in a few days if you have the money. Spending the 'time' to sit in get pl is probably easier than spending the 'time' farming the 50-60k it would cost to buy a lvl 50 account.

When I was leveling up I kept asking all the 'rich' people how they made money, 9/10 times it was someone who had leveled to mid 50s, sold their account and re-rolled a twink or someone who had a 60 main and leveled up alts to sell. If this is taken out of the game now then all the new players are essentially short changed a way a large amount of others have used to make money.

I just feel like this goes into the long list of things that people have been abusing since the server was created, yeah it should have never existed in the first place but removing it now only hurts new players as others have made millions abusing it already. If that is what everyone wants, awesome. I just feel like everyone is doing what the masses typically do and jump to some illogical conclusion because on the surface it makes sense.

[Swish]

It was no different on live. If you were there on Day 1 you had an advantage compared to starting from scratch 2 years later. Granted the inflation won't be exactly the same here but as someone who doesn't have much to his name for 2.5 years on the box (not a plat hoarder) I can say that I'd enjoy starting now and not worry what the rest of the server is doing.

If people came here for a classic experience, they won't want to be twinked out and helped, will they? Otherwise, any help they get is a bonus, and while it won't close the gap on those at the top of the pyramid they can enjoy the levelling experience for what it is.

Don't want to play with twinked out players with more gear than brains? Roll a solo class, or start your own groups...pick and choose who you want.

The game is what you make of it, the only protest is coming from people that aren't at the top of the plat mountain and wish they were. So what if you have 6 manastones and 10 fungis? Having more than 1 won't affect anything in terms of levelling and raiding.

[orsk]

Originally Posted by Faerie Blossom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the final point here is that the devs are working on banning account sales.

I dont buy or sell accounts like some, and frankly they should have the choice to do whatsoever they want with accounts. I dont think this is an issue that should be controlled by anyone but the owners up the accounts, to do what ever they want with them. go spew you liberal cunt bullshit someplace else.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't take you seriously with the top line of your sig Dirtnap... have you tried playing 1 on each server simultaneously yet?

I want to two-box and its the best way to have it heard. Making post after post about it would just irritate people, and wouldn't make a difference anyways. I did see your post about playing red and blue simultaneously, and its something I have done before. I play blue and mac though. (Haven't logged on blue in a while now.)

On topic: They changed pet exp, I don't think the way it is now is fun. Does that mean we get to turn it back? No, because its not classic.

EDIT: I think if people want to buy/sell accounts they should not be allowed to do it on the official forum, or in-game through OOC. It makes this server look like a joke.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game is what you make of it, the only protest is coming from people that aren't at the top of the plat mountain and wish they were. So what if you have 6 manastones and 10 fungis? Having more than 1 won't affect anything in terms of levelling and raiding.

I have no dreams of being on top of plat mountain when i come to a server 4 years in or however long this has been up and running.

My issue is that just like people said there is no reason to KEEP account selling in I do not see what is fixed from removing it.

I am sure bards & druids will be more than happy if account selling stops because the demand to skip level 1-50 will still be there and people will just flock to pl in masses. This will result in all the noob areas being flooded with bards/druids stealing everything for plvl. Been to unrest lately? It blows 50% of the time because a single druid plvling walks in and pulls the entire house/basement.

It is not like if you remove account selling everyone will just magically start rolling untwinked alts and leveling them the old fashion way.

[Woahnelly]

the argument that people earned the money so they should be able to buy whatever they want is just silly. If people have a shit ton of plat and don't want to spend the time leveling a character to 60, then they should just roll a new character and have them pl'd.

As I said before: stopping account selling, or limiting it by 97%, is as easy as disallowing password changes.

[xCry0x]

Again, what is the purpose of removing selling accounts?

I'm just looking at this from a time investment point of view on the behalf of the devs/gms.

To police this is going to take a ton of time.. what is gained by putting the time into that vs developing content, fixing bugs and stopping rmt/hackers/etc.

[OMGWTF420]

theres accounts out there that are worth millions of plat, theres a shit ton of pp to be made by flipping accounts, you know the whole buy low/sell high thing, i'd wager alot of these accounts are being traded more often than they are actually being played. with that much pp at stake you can guarantee that people will fight tooth and nail to keep account trading alive. and as soon as it gets outlawed it will most likely go underground