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[KabanazyTZ]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see the Propaganda machine is kicking in again and Salt is leading the charge as normal.

I am just here to correct the Facts...

39 Nihilum vs 32 Azrael/Force inside seb. We blocked 7-8 Azrael/Force from getting into seb and joining them. We also had 10 people under 55..

Result was 22 dead Azrael/Force 5 dead Nihilum.

Lemme correct your "facts", there were 12 Azrael/Force outside who were not "blocked" but rather didn't get home until less than 20 minutes before the fight happened. This force included Salt, Hughman, Jessika, Kringe (on Dekane), Saidin, Mafakka, and Toughguy.

We gathered, ported into EJ and rushed into TT just in time to see your entire force zone in and massacre our meager force in Seb. The force you killed in Seb was not only under leveled, undergeared, and essentially leaderless (no offense to badger I give you props for trying to lead that), but they also had next to no strong melee comparatively.

I'm not trying to make excuses here, but it just goes to show how shitty of a time frame this currently is for our guild. Lite logged in less than 5 minutes before you engaged and Kringe was playing from work.

Gratz on another uncontested dragon, I think its about time for another weekly server reset, on a more agreeable time frame where we actually have at least half of our guild being level 55+.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by KabanazyTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lemme correct your "facts", there were 12 Azrael/Force outside who were not "blocked" but rather didn't get home until less than 20 minutes before the fight happened. This force included Salt, Hughman, Jessika, Kringe (on Dekane), Saidin, Mafakka, and Toughguy.

There were several others we blocked well before hand. So you mean to tell me you planned to have 44 there for us nice. 32 inside, 5 we blocked, 7 your mentioned.

Gratz on another uncontested dragon, I think its about time for another weekly server reset, on a more agreeable time frame where we actually have at least half of our guild being level 55+.

So you consider a force of 32 holding the zone line to the dragon we want to kill. Us killing those people and then the dragon to be an uncontested dragon?

[KabanazyTZ]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There were several others we blocked well before hand. So you mean to tell me you planned to have 44 there for us nice. 32 inside, 5 we blocked, 7 your mentioned.

So you mean to tell me that you really have less comprehension than I previously imagined? If this was "planned", then why were there no leaders of our guild inside of Sebilis?

We knew Trak was spawning, yes sure. We wanted people to be ready to contest if we got people on, but we didn't plan on having 32 people with no officer/guild leader trying to block you from trak.

It's great that someone tried to step up when the officers couldn't be online yet, but it was unlikely to work due to lack of solid class/level makeup.

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you consider a force of 32 holding the zone line to the dragon we want to kill. Us killing those people and then the dragon to be an uncontested dragon?

Yes it was uncontested, if you played wow during vanilla let me use this scenario to paint a picture for you.

It's like taking a pre-made HWL grinding team into a BG vs a non pre-made. You faced 32 people from, pretty much, four different guilds with no actual leadership.

Badger was calling the shots for the first time ever, and had very little to work with. 10 or less level 60's with almost half the force if not more than half under level 55, and next to no melee.

If that's what you consider being contested, then that's pretty sad.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by KabanazyTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it was uncontested, if you played wow during vanilla let me use this scenario to paint a picture for you.

It's like taking a pre-made HWL grinding team into a BG vs a non pre-made. You faced 32 people from, pretty much, four different guilds with no actual leadership.

Badger was calling the shots for the first time ever, and had very little to work with. 10 or less level 60's with almost half the force if not more than half under level 55, and next to no melee.

If that's what you consider being contested, then that's pretty sad.

Salt, I played wow so I know what you mean. It basically means someone better than you won the fight. It happens I know.

You guys contested and lost.. just admit it jeez. Its like the night we brought 23 against your 46 at Trak. We contested and lost, it happens.

The spin coming from you is really funny though. A loss inst really a loss because you did not have your A team as you claim. A win with 20 more then us is considered an even numbers fight to you lol.

[KabanazyTZ]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Salt, I played wow so I know what you mean. It basically means someone better than you won the fight. It happens I know.

Had nothing to do with being better than those people. I can remember several occasions where I and several of my teammates were better than every player in the opposing pre-made BG team, but our team loses due to lack of coordination. This is a huge contributing factor to what happened last night, trying to deny it will only prove your ignorance.

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys contested and lost.. just admit it jeez. Its like the night we brought 23 against your 46 at Trak. We contested and lost, it happens.

You were contested by a handful of people in our guild without a real leader. You weren't contested by Azrael, if you had you would have lost like you have the last 3-4 times you tried to contest us.

[Elderan]

Had nothing to do with being better than those people. I can remember several occasions where I and several of my teammates were better than every player in the opposing pre-made BG team, but our team loses due to lack of coordination. This is a huge contributing factor to what happened last night, trying to deny it will only prove your ignorance.

You understand this is a team game right? I don't care if you think 2-3 people are better than everyone else in the other force. It is the combined skill that wins.

You were contested by a handful of people in our guild without a real leader. You weren't contested by Azrael, if you had you would have lost like you have the last 3-4 times you tried to contest us.

Simple fact is you have lost every single time you have not out numbered us by 15+.

[KabanazyTZ]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You understand this is a team game right? I don't care if you think 2-3 people are better than everyone else in the other force. It is the combined skill that wins.

What happens when Nihilum tries to pvp or contest without Nizzar? Oh, shit i forgot his life is this game and that never happens. You fought a leaderless force and are completely oblivious to this fact. Please wrap your head around it, that "defense" of Sebilis was not planned or organized.

This is a team game, yet without any kind of real leadership, what kind of a team were the people in seb? What happens when you try to rally a bunch of people who you've never led before and don't see you as an authority figure? Not only is there not a single direct purpose, but there is going to be chaos and second guessing the entire time because this guy has never led us before.

On top of that, our melee which have been key in every single pvp encounter (and the focus of 2+ trak teeth in just about every fight) were not present. So the 2-3 people being better comment is moot.

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simple fact is you have lost every single time you have not out numbered us by 15+.

I refer you to the fight at Rathe/Feerott zone line where you guys got nearly flawlessed with only about 6 less.