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07-09-2010, 05:58 PM
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A system where a ranger can hoard points to buy a Blade of War instead of a Warrior is awful. DKP serves individual players and hinders the guild as a whole. I won't ever join a guild that uses DKP because that's just a huge declaration of "we want to lose!"
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#42
07-09-2010, 06:03 PM
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DKP works fine if you're not retarded and set it up so there are class restrictions on certain items, backed by an officer-run "don't be a dumbass" veto.
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#46
07-09-2010, 07:43 PM
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Every DKP system I have used has worked like this:
A. Guild/loot/whatever leader decides what class it is best for. B. DKP is referenced and person on top of chosen class is asked if he wants it. If no, next person asked, ect. Each item has a specific value. I have known guilds who use bidding or even silent bidding, but that causes other issues I don't have time to discuss. I have never been in a raiding guild where loot is thrown out based strictly on who is highest on list. If this were true, then you would have people buying up stuff that is tradeable so they can sell it or give to their twinks; if your guild does this, then, well, they are idiots and you can only blame yourself for seeing rangers getting loot clearly intended for warriors by continuing to stay in said guild. | ||
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#47
07-09-2010, 07:47 PM
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Heck, I didn't use dkp I just chose who got what loot on open raids for a solid 2 yrs... no complaints. Just takes fairness and integrity.
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07-09-2010, 07:57 PM
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#49
07-09-2010, 09:03 PM
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I agree, but that is ideal, not realistic. Greed and selfishness is much more common, even in guilds of 'friends'. More often then not, those with more time played in this game are rewarded for that time.. You don't have to be able to solve quadratic equations to get gear...just raid alot...play alot. And who is to say you don't deserve loot if you attend every raid? And howdo you decide between equal play from equal players?
I agree with you, don't get me wrong, but there are far too many unscrupulous characters who would abuse merit as well, I would bet on greed and character flaws in this game over honor and integrity any day of the week. And even then, there is always a gray area, or, even if you got it perfect...people who wouldn't agree for a myriad of reasons. I always perferred seniority, and loot decided by honorable men. Hard to find that, so dkp becomes the lesser of 2 evils, and something to placate the masses. The perfect system is hard to use, because trying to fill a raid of unselfish people... hard to do. | ||
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#50
07-09-2010, 09:26 PM
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Ok, so your merit system is based off of attendance, right? Doesn't DKP, in essence, distribute out points based on participation?
They are basically the same thing. If someone wants to pass up 2 expansions worth of loot in order to get one specific item, that is his choice; meanwhile, everyone else is gearing up. Calling the DKP system is, as a whole, completely stupid based on one or two unlikely (yet not impossible) examples is, in itself, asinine. Any system can be abused, even a merit system. My most successful system was basically a merit system. We had a loot council that based loot distribution on attendance, attitude, work ethic ect. DKP is still a viable way to distribute loot. | ||
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