Iksar necro XP penalty

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Kieu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar blow. I really don't care what anyone has to say about how they're so amazing. They're not that amazing, and they look like dog shit. You don't need the regen, and sure as hell don't need to look like a fool either.

You take that back

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Kieu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're not that amazing, and they look like dog shit.

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[amateur]

standing/FD/sitting HP regen at level 60
iksar: 12/14/18
Non-Iksar: 4/5/7

so either you want an easier time maintaining hp during lich or you want to level quicker. those are really the only things that matter

edit:
I should say that iksar/troll regen is negligible from other races from 1 to 50 and really wont make any difference. so unless youre in it for the long haul and go 50+ than race wont matter

[Lyssia]

Erudite Necromancer and the Mantle of Souls. End of discussion

[Swish]

Originally Posted by amateur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

standing/FD/sitting HP regen at level 60
iksar: 12/14/18
Non-Iksar: 4/5/7

so either you want an easier time maintaining hp during lich or you want to level quicker. those are really the only things that matter

Why not hit 60 with the better regen? You don't know what you're not missing with the 20% penalty anyway as a necro. 40 and 45 seemed to sail by at the spectres.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not really convinced that iksar regen makes for significantly faster XPing though. It is such a small boost from 1-50, and even after that it just means an iksar will need to use fewer lifetaps to keep his HP up than a non-iksar would, so he can use a more efficient dot in place of the lifetaps, but that isn't going to be a very big difference I wouldn't think.

I think it is a bigger deal at 60, when the regen is active during longer and harder fights or where it can be used to recover from trouble while FD and still leaving lich on, for melee classes (since the hp are directly their source of power), and for shamans (since they can choose to canni more often if they want to). That said, if I were making a necro, I wouldn't even think twice about making him an iksar.

Up to level 10ish it makes a diff, then again from 20-30ish. 50+ starts to be a big deal again, and 50+ will take up 1/2 your leveling time anyway.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Lyssia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Erudite Necromancer and the Mantle of Souls. End of discussion

This is a very nice item you can get with some high level help at any level. And it's right up there with the PoSky shoulder, which is much more of a pain to acquire.

There are also a few popular mid-range Necro items that Iksars can't use, including:

GEBs
Golden Bracer
Golden Chitin Bracer
Tome of Miragul

Given the disparity in starting INT between an Iksar and Erudite (85 vs. 117) and the added INT on the easily obtainable non-Iksar gear, an Erudite Necro is going to have a noticeably larger mana pool than a comparably geared Iksar, on the order of several hundred points 50+.

For example, assuming 1 INT = 10 mana (around lvl 50ish), the Erudite's 32 INT racial advantage, the GEBs and the Mantle of Souls alone total around 500 extra mana (and that's factoring in the mana from BIS non-raid gear an Iksar would be using, like a Squallsurge Shawl (+50mana) and Grave Sandals (2 INT, +10 mana). Bond of Death costs 360 mana and returns 720 health. At 60, Iksar sitting regen is 18 vs. non-Iksar at 7, so the Iksar regens approximately +66hp per minute over the Erudite. A liched Necro will regen approximately 500 mana per minute at 60 regardless of race. The Erudite/DE mana pool advantage allows for a cast of Bond/Vexing that nullifies the Iksar regen.

My Necro is a level 54 Iksar geared for HP and is sitting around 1500 HP self buffed, with 2000 mana and 155 INT. An Erudite Necro with identical gear plus GEBs and Mantels of Souls would be around 200 INT with 2500 mana and the same 1500 HP.

All that said, Iksar is still the better Necro race, since max mana isn't really that important over a long grinding/farming session and the regen allows for increased long term efficiency. But if we're talking about short term efficiency starting from full health, full mana, the Erudite is going to enjoy an advantage. They will also make better mana batteries for obvious reasons, although as an Iksar it's nice to be able to med while liched with Regrowth on and lose no health.

So basically, for long term farming sessions, the Necro is indeed the superior race. But for short bursts, the Erudite is unquestionably better due to their much higher mana pool nullifying Iksar regen. If you're making a Necro to farm (95% of people) go Iksar, if you're making one for PvP (more taps) or raiding (lol wut), go Erudite. The conventional wisdom of "go Iksar or go home" with Necros is technically correct, but the Erudite definitely has some considerable advantages as well which should not be overlooked.

[Tecmos Deception]

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[Kieu]

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Either way, the regen will never be detrimental to a necros needs. I'm not sure why anyone thinks they have less downtime from it, sure... I have to cast a tap or two every 10 minutes. Woah lol

Not sure where people get these crazy illogical mathematical equations from, that make it seem like anything but iksar have a harder time leveling. You mean an iksar does.

[koros]

You read his statement wrong Tec.