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Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your only paying for his logs sounds a lot like the old "your only paying for my old sweater but im throwing in this EQ account as a free gift" line.

You've obviously never bought an OEM version of a Windows operating system. This is a totally valid semantic argument. Go on newegg.com, look up "Windows OEM". I'll wait.

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Ok, you'll see they charge significantly less money for the same operating system. How? They bundle it with hardware. Its a piece of shit hardware, sure (I got a sound cable for old CD-ROM drives with Windows 7), but it fits the requirement. Not saying your example is all that great (its hard to come up with an analogy that fits everything), but your example is something that's already done every day. Maybe not with EQ or p1999 (I keep hearing about something with an old GM and muffins, but I wasn't around for that), but its a valid argument.

Originally Posted by windo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit counter-argument. You're basically saying that he's paying for the cloud service without the primary intent of hosting his log service therefore the real-life money paid for the subscription in no way is going towards providing the means to generate platinum revenue on p1999. Even if your client moved his log service to free hosting, he's still performing IRL work incentivized by in-game profit, which is, in essence, RMT. Regardless, as you pointed out a domain name costs real money and therefore it would seem an object with real world valued is being used to generate in-game platinum.

Ok, at least I wasn't the first one to use "shit" for no reason in what's been a pretty civil discussion. The first part of your argument needs to be fleshed out (why am I giving pointers?). If I pay for a faster internet connection at home so I can download movies faster, and it just so happens that later I realize I can use it to log in slightly faster and nab that mob spawn so I can sell the drop, that's real life money paid to generate platinum revenue on p1999. See, I can come up with imperfect analogies. Anyway, I'll wait for you to flesh this one out before going further on it.

The second part of your argument (where *if* it was hosted on a free service) is where you're strongest, if you all continue to ignore the whole "work was free" reply I keep making. But first off, I'd say RMT is the opposite of what you say. Its performing in-game work incentivized by IRL profit. I could argue that my IRL job (which luckily doesn't look to see my internet history) leads to in-game profit- how would I have a computer to play p1999 without money? But broader than that, 'IRL work' is ambiguous. No one in authority (though I'm sure you'll tell me what you, opposing counsel, think) has said what this is.

But to bracket this with the same thing for clarity, my client still asserts his work on the programming and the hosting is free to the consumer. The fee is merely for the in-game presence of his or a friend's character. There are many real life scenarios where this sort of arrangement happens. If you want longer posts, I'll be more than happy to give one, just let me know.

Also, please let me know if I'm missing any arguments you guys are making (or remaking). I'm trying not to gloss over them.