Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Aaryonar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there is no set time, or even a set window, then no guild has a best chance and every guild has an equal chance

An equal chance does not necessarily equate to equality.

-100% removal of variance
-strictly enforced rotating target schedule for any guild wanting on the list
-24 hours allotted to down your guilds target. Failure to do so is a forfeit, and the boss becomes FTE.
-Breaking rotation results in raid suspensions. Habitually breaking the rotation, results in a guild disbanding.
-Raid interference (training/starting DT cycles/what have you) is a raid suspension. Habitually breaking this rule results in a guild disbanding.
-No guild is allowed to aid another during the initial 24 hour 'uncontested' period. Breaking this rule will result in a raid suspension of the offending guild. Habitually breaking this rule will result in a guild disband.
-Create a functioning 'Raiding' forum where all participating guilds are required to list the date/times of their respective kills, as well as the projected date/times of their respawns.

This is the only way I see everyone having a true equal chance. No one has to sacrifice days of their life sitting in front of a tracking mule mashing a button. No one has to wake up at 4AM on a work-day to have a chance at a boss. The guilds will know they targets for the week ahead of time, and their spawn times. The playing field is absolutely level. Everyone gets their piece of the action, with the chance of getting extra.

Now some might point out that without some sort of qualifier there will be 20 guilds on the rotation in no time, and to start out, you are right. But over time, some guilds will realize it is in their best interest to merge with other guilds to have the numbers/whatever to down the more difficult bosses. Over time, the number of guilds on the rotation will mitigate themselves down to a handful and each guild will be getting multiple targets a week. With the release of Velious that number of targets will more than double.

This is nothing that hasn't been suggested and shot down before on the basis of some's personal feelings about 'competition.' That 'some' are a tiny minority of the server, that are available for the better part of every day to log on at the drop of a hat. The minority of players that applies to are being catered to by the variance, while the vast majority of players it does not apply to are left in the cold when it comes to their classic everquest experience. Rotations work. If Rallos Zek( and many others ) can have have a functioning rotation, that finds the majority of raiders on the server happy, than p99 can do the same.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've read it. Its anecdotal at best. The variance helps the minority at the expense of the majority. This is coming from a long time p99 raider, with more tracking hours that I'd like to mention. The variance is one option of many. I seem to recall someone saying something about "without change you can never move forward?"

i addressed the variance in great detail in this thread. go back and read my posts.

[Aaryonar]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An equal chance does not necessarily equate to equality

Why does anybody on this server deserve more than a chance?

Equal Chance = Level Playing Field
Equality = A myth, and not classic

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Aaryonar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does anybody on this server deserve more than a chance?

That is all my suggested methods provide. An equal chance (24hrs) on targets in a rotation. Have you spent weeks of your life mashing track for a chance at a mob? I have, its not fun, its not classic. It burns people out, makes them resent people in their own guild and the game. 0 variance is the only thing that makes sense because it puts everyone on a level playing field from the start, everything past that is what they wish to put into it.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its called free will

because just like in RL, God has never come down from the heavens to dictate how we as people do things. it directly contradicts free will. Kings govern men, and gods inspire men.

thats the difference

No, the difference is that a god's power is not real. However the power u(and others) hold on this server is very real. It is completely possible for you/staff to intervene and fix this situation. But instead you choose to sit back and watch as if you are impotent to the "free will." bad analogy is bad.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the staff has no plans or desire to dictate the raid scene to the players. it will be what you make it.

You expect way too much from people if you think this is possible. The current raiding scene can't get along in the simplest of matters. What makes you think adding more people will help?

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why dont all these smaller guilds just merge to form a competitive guild, as opposed to hoping a mob pops within your guilds peak play time. for example u said 5pm-1am you'd be good to go, but not outside those hours.

so maybe time to think outside the box? if FC, FV, Div, and Taken were to merge, you would easily be able to start competing on just about any mob.

people will argue that they shouldnt have to merge to compete. and i will simply disagree because its not true. every top guild goes through mergers on their way to the top.

doing things the way you want, and doing things the way things need to be done to compete, are not always the same path. and theres a very good chance at some point you have to decide which of those paths you are going to embark on, because most times its not possible to do both.

If this were reality we were talking about, I'd agree with you 100%, you cannot have it both ways. But this is a game, in which reality does not apply. It is completely possible for everyone to have it both ways. All it takes is for the staff to step in and endorse a new rule set. The variance was not imposed on this server since it's inception. The GM's made a precedence and intervened, altered the rule set. Why is it out of the question now? What has changed?

I have read the entire thread now. Now can we converse ? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I promise I wont bite, just express some ideas I feel would benefit most the people on this server.

[maverixdamighty]

0 variance will just lead to poopsocking again just with more guilds and more gm interventions. only way people are going to be happy is with more content.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

0 variance will just lead to poopsocking again just with more guilds and more gm interventions. only way people are going to be happy is with more content.

If u read the suggestion, its 0 variance with an enforced rotation. No reason to poopsock if killing the target out of turn will just earn u a week in the penalty box/possible disbanding.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what I don't get, Sirken. I think you are intelligent and sincere. Which is why I really don't understand how you can make the statements you do about variance. It's almost like we play on different servers. You say that variance prevents the top guild from dominating, yet there have been huge blocks of time where a single guild would get borderline clean sweeps (TR for several months after Kunark came out, TMO for ~10 months around last summer) and even when there was 'competition' there were exactly two guilds involved: TR/TMO and now TMO/FE. You say that lack of variance would allow a guild to manipulate the boss mobs to repop at inconvenient times, yet all the raid targets are killed within an hour of spawning, regardless of time. You say that you want competition, yet you have gotten Lord of the Flies. Have you read RnF lately? There is some serious hate there. People are flaming and trolling and spying and trying to dig up other people's RL information so they can harass them there. This is Chest's point: Why can you not see that some of us just don't want to be a part of that, and that it has nothing to do with 'competition' ? And why as staff are you encouraging this kind of environment?

the difference is you are only thinking about guilds like your own. whereas we have to think about guilds like yours, as well as guilds at the top, as well as guilds that have not yet formed, or have not yet found p99.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the difference is you are only thinking about guilds like your own. whereas we have to think about guilds like yours, as well as guilds at the top, as well as guilds that have not yet formed, or have not yet found p99.

An enforced rotation eliminates any need to consider any guild differently as it treats all guilds equally.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If u read the suggestion, its 0 variance with an enforced rotation. No reason to poopsock if killing the target out of turn will just earn u a week in the penalty box/possible disbanding.

go read everything i posted in this thread, done repeating myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]