Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kill the king.

Kind of sad really, as from my minor interactions with the king, he seemed like a reasonable guy.

But...off with his head!

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly i feel bad for people whose entire raid experience is based on non competitive rotations.

I experienced both. While participating in the rotations, I didn't feel like anything was lacking in my gaming experience. I was immersed in my guild experience, and I didn't care what anyone else was doing. Our accomplishments weren't diminished by what other guilds were doing.

I've always said, if you weren't world first, you weren't first. I've never been world first (although I think my guild became world first after I quit EQ)

I did experience server firsts, and they do hold special memories, but all it is now is memories...

I think I read you came from a PvP environment. A lot of the population doesn't play competitive against other players. I'm only playing against the content.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and im very sorry to hear that, but my server and MANY OTHERS did not have a rotation (see how that straw man argument fails?), and only time will tell if the players are "mature" enough to agree to something like that. but MOST servers, did not in fact have a rotation, because most players did not want a rotation or could not agree to a rotation. honestly i feel bad for people whose entire raid experience is based on non competitive rotations. that said, its completely up to the players to decide and then work out how they will handle raid mobs.

look, let me try another approach. lets say we all live in a kingdom, and for whatever reason you and a few people decide that the King is a piece of shit, and that his laws are garbage. well, it would be next to impossible to simply start your own kingdom, and make your own rules, because the true king would have you all beheaded. first you must kill the king by whatever means required. and then after the king has been killed by the usurpers, and they become the new kings, they get to set the new rules for the kingdom.

basically trying to do anything different in the raid scene requires 1 of 2 things to happen. either 1) the King agrees with you and your ideas. or 2) you must kill the king.

and it does not appear the king agrees, so you're down to option 2.

And what if God decrees the peasants should have their day in the sun? It really wouldn't take anything away from the king's ability to continue to lead his selfish and debauched lifestyle.

It's just not making sense why God would not find such a small request beneficial to the kingdom as a whole.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I experienced both. While participating in the rotations, I didn't feel like anything was lacking in my gaming experience. I was immersed in my guild experience, and I didn't care what anyone else was doing. Our accomplishments weren't diminished by what other guilds were doing.
I think I read you came from a PvP environment. A lot of the population doesn't play competitive against other players. I'm only playing against the content.

you just touched on something i was talking about in a R99 thread. but you're correct, theres more than one way to skin a cat, just like there's more than one way to play EQ. and that doesn't mean one style is better or worse, nor does it mean one style is right and one style is wrong. one of the best things about EQ is that you can play the game just about anyway you want and still manage to have fun.

so if you're having fun, all the more power to you! because that's all that matters. but if you are not having fun, (and im not singling you or anyone else out, just saying in general terms) then that player needs to make some changes. maybe those changes involve how they play the game, or maybe those changes involve killing the king, and starting new rules.

but to be blunt, this is not Skyrim where the entire world is your oyster and exists only to make you (again, not picking on "you", i'm using the word in general terms) feel happy and make the player feel special. In EQ and on p99, other players will in deed have a huge impact on the world around you and whats available. because in EQ, nobody is special (except for nilbog).

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

look, let me try another approach. lets say we all live in a kingdom, and for whatever reason you and a few people decide that the King is a piece of shit, and that his laws are garbage. well, it would be next to impossible to simply start your own kingdom, and make your own rules, because the true king would have you all beheaded. first you must kill the king by whatever means required. and then after the king has been killed by the usurpers, and they become the new kings, they get to set the new rules for the kingdom.

sounds like a "go play on red99" post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And what if God decrees the peasants should have their day in the sun? It really wouldn't take anything away from the king's ability to continue to lead his selfish and debauched lifestyle.

It's just not making sense why God would not find such a small request beneficial to the kingdom as a whole.

its called free will

because just like in RL, God has never come down from the heavens to dictate how we as people do things. it directly contradicts free will. Kings govern men, and gods inspire men.

thats the difference

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sounds like a "go play on red99" post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm sorry u saw it that way. when u have a few minutes, go look up "metaphor". there's a whole new world of vocabulary waiting for you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

essentially it means you follow the top guilds' way of doing things, or, you remove them as the top guild. it's happened multiple times on this server. contrary to popular belief, TMO was not always at or even near the top of the pecking order.

[slappytwotoes]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?

They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.

Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its called free will

because just like in RL, God has never come down from the heavens to dictate how we as people do things. it directly contradicts free will. Kings govern men, and gods inspire men.

thats the difference

I'm afraid that's not strictly true. The argument for a God in RL is not proven and possibly never can be. But in p1999 s/he exists and it is unequivocally undeniable.

It is not the king that makes the framework of rules by which we govern ourself in this universe, it is God.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

theres more than one way to skin a cat

I had a boss that used that analogy all the time...
Just going to say... even though I don't like cats...that is a terrible analogy!

I'm one of those peace loving hippie types. I like harmony. I don't like conflict. I attempt peaceful resolution all can agree to.

If there isn't one, I can fight for what I want. Though, I don't think anyone has to worry about me yet.....

I am totally against GM intervention.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?
They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.
Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

absolutely not! i think simulated patch days (full repops) are a truly great idea that will benefit a very high majority of players. im pretty certain Nilbog and Rogean feel the same way based off last weeks staff meeting. but there are still some details we would like to iron out internally before we make any final decisions on it.

and you'd be surprised what the "peasants" are ready for, everybody has a breaking point, even the "peasants"