Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Small guilds on live did get targets. Mainly because the mechanics were different (read patch days for starters)

It's an emulation of a 13 year old game. Is it too much to ask that the top guilds would allow the smaller ones once in a blue moon to gain access to some raid targets?

Why are you so anti this? What is it with you ?

small guilds on live got the lesser priority targets if any on non-rotation servers. pretty sure i've stated multiple times i'm fine with giving up some targets, but again i'm not a decision maker. I am against giving free access to all targets that are current guild priories though and that stance won't change. I'm also against people that want all these targets but don't want to put in any effort to get them. BDA has put in the time work etc in the past, divinity has had trackers etc out there looking, I think i've heard of full circle even socking a mob to get a chance at it (just some examples I'm sure there are more). Those types of actions I can respect and think if you do put in the effort you should be included, if not you shouldn't complain.

[Clark]

stop bumping this lame thread

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by bouncerr 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, Yeah what happens when you guys get all your epix and pixelz your just gonna let other guilds get spawns? Please. The reason TMO sells shit because they earned it and farmed it. Just like FE would if they were #1. But your not or ever will be, so youll continue to fight and push other guilds out the way, so in the end... Shit isnt gonna change until velious.

Guess we'll find out if/when that happens. Key thing is you are making an assumption about FE, but TMO's history is fact.

[Tierael]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are lots of different types of rotations. i've openly stated i'm not a decision maker, but i think rotating everything isn't something we should do at this point. People want raid mobs then when you offer some up it's not enough...

The way I see it, there are only 8 targets that should even be discussed (the 8 I mentioned in my above idea). If you just leave it at that, I'm sure people would understand why a rotation won't include the others.

Naggy/Vox? Make an alt army and camp them there if you want it IMO.
PoSky? Not really...
Royals? Yael? Phinigel? Derp
VS/Trak/VP = FE/TMO priority #1 and rightly so

So is Fear/Hate/4dragons too much to share? Every week, TMO/FE would have 2 targets of 10 (if you add VS/Trak only) that they can't tag. That's 20% of the raid targets per week, again, not counting the obvious. And they aren't just giving these targets up to one guild in turn. They give them up for Div/Taken/BDA/FC/FV to have their OWN FTE races.

On top of this, I'm sure the lower guilds can put an agreement on top of all this, that none of us would take any 1 target twice in a row. If BDA got Faydedar on the first rotation pop, I would hope we would forgo the target next rotation.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by bouncerr 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, Yeah what happens when you guys get all your epix and pixelz your just gonna let other guilds get spawns? Please. The reason TMO sells shit because they earned it and farmed it. Just like FE would if they were #1. But your not or ever will be, so youll continue to fight and push other guilds out the way, so in the end... Shit isnt gonna change until velious.

The inherent problem though, is that on live no individual character, no matter how much they raided (with the exception of some main raid tanks), was able to get every piece of gear available for that character before the next expansion released. On live there was no point in which you've "beaten Everquest".

On Project 1999 it's different, when you take into account the fact that the content isn't "new" and the knowledge of how to tackle it is already there, coupled with the fact that it's been over 4 times the length of time since the next expansion was due you get a guild like TMO, who have gotten to the point where their raid force isn't just gearing their alts because their characters are maxed, they are all gearing their third and even fourth characters in certain cases with end game content gear. They have literally beaten Everquest.

This isn't meant as a flame, this is simply stating cold hard facts. It has much less to do with them earning the pixels and the right to sell them and more with they have nothing better to do with their lives than continue to do such and as a result the bulk of the server's population (every single non TMO player) suffers because of it.

The only "fair" fix, which won't happen because of the nature of cartain players and server management's desire to appease everyone regardless of the problems certain group(s) cause for the community, is to remove TMO from the equation entirely, they won't stop no matter what anyone says. But since that will never happen, Sirken was 100% correct, the only way to combat the top guild will be to beat them at their own game and beat the zerg rush with a bigger zerg rush.

Another big reason for this is the rediculous FTE system, but pointing that out only falls on deaf ears too...

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by bouncerr 2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, Yeah what happens when you guys get all your epix and pixelz your just gonna let other guilds get spawns? Please. The reason TMO sells shit because they earned it and farmed it. Just like FE would if they were #1. But your not or ever will be, so youll continue to fight and push other guilds out the way, so in the end... Shit isnt gonna change until velious.

It must be weird to vehemently defend a guild that cast you out. I don't get it.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

small guilds on live got the lesser priority targets if any on non-rotation servers. pretty sure i've stated multiple times i'm fine with giving up some targets, but again i'm not a decision maker. I am against giving free access to all targets that are current guild priories though and that stance won't change. I'm also against people that want all these targets but don't want to put in any effort to get them. BDA has put in the time work etc in the past, divinity has had trackers etc out there looking, I think i've heard of full circle even socking a mob to get a chance at it (just some examples I'm sure there are more). Those types of actions I can respect and think if you do put in the effort you should be included, if not you shouldn't complain.

"people still talking about poopsocking aren't in touch with the current raid scene"

I guess thats relevant for you ( ie if you're being a 13beard old douche that has no connection to real ppl, actualy just anything real)

[kotton05]

well that's a bold statement llodd, prior to the new variance, many guilds would show up at the end of a mobs window like a lottery. i'm glad it doesn't happen anymore.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Tierael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way I see it, there are only 8 targets that should even be discussed (the 8 I mentioned in my above idea). If you just leave it at that, I'm sure people would understand why a rotation won't include the others.

Naggy/Vox? Make an alt army and camp them there if you want it IMO.
PoSky? Not really...
Royals? Yael? Phinigel? Derp
VS/Trak/VP/CT/Inny/Sev = FE/TMO priority #1 and rightly so

added more that I would consider priorities. VP shouldn't be included as there are really only two guilds capable maybe a 3rd depending on how many keys BDA has.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"people still talking about poopsocking aren't in touch with the current raid scene"

I guess thats relevant for you ( ie if you're being a 13beard old douche that has no connection to real ppl, actualy just anything real)

is this the rants forum? Go make a thread there. Not even sure what a "13 beard old douche" is. I wish I could have grown a beard at 13.