TMO resort to hacking in VP - Page 71

47shadesofgay · #**701** 03-22-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TR was responsible for the public RnF cry campaign about them that catalyzed their nerfage.

It's unfortunate that TR couldn't fight Trak without wiping for several weeks after the nerf, though.

You know the reason for this and it has nothing to do with hoops, considering TR was killing Trak long before the 3 weeks hoops were a factor.

So why don't you come out and say it?

Nerosys · #**702** 03-22-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe we should just lie and claim we had no idea it was happening, like you! I have seen it with my own two eyes - sorry I don't have a fraps. If you thinking I'm making this up, you don't know me very well obviously.

Whatever happens with Aiaus, I hope this drama will help to eliminate the concocted double standard you guys are presenting. If you guys want to instapoof and the staff says that's Ok for now, let's do it - you'll get owned =) And if nobody can do it anymore, that's fine with me too - you'll have an even tougher time next time we train Nexona on you for hours and hours.

But stop with the fucking bullshit please, liars. Your people have been doing this for weeks and if you don't know that, you're maybe not liars but you're fucking retarded.

You are full of shit Jeremy straight up... you know why i know you are full of shit ?

1. Because at first we had no idea what was going on it wasn't until he did this repeatedly and we started breaking down in our heads how it was possible that we started piecing shit together.

2. TMO has never ever refrained from posting fraps or pics or bitching and complaining at anyone that has wronged them especially in regards to raiding, so now you are coming here and saying that all of a sudden you guys have no proof of us doing this but you want us to take your word for it ? Go fuck yourself, you guys do not deserve any freebies as alarti has put it so many times to us. prove it or stfu.

3. This shit is pathetic, you got caught man up. You say you want competition but everytime you get it, you resort to cheating and pulling cheap shit like this the only difference is now we will record all of it and post it for everyone to see, this was never done in the past be sure that these tactics will not go overlooked anymore.

you saying you've seen it with your own two eyes means less than nothing to anyone other than a TMO member so you might as well give it up.

Rotokan

47shadesofgay · #**703** 03-22-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not really true, shades, and you have no good reason to believe that. I may be a cutthroat competitor but I desire no ill-gained victories - they're nothing to be proud of.

You seem fairly proud of the fact you guys were able to secure a Xygoz kill despite a member of your guild using a known exploit.

I have every reason to believe what I say. Prove me wrong.

getsome · #**704** 03-22-2013, 12:42 PM

falkun · #**705** 03-22-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In getsome's NFL analogy the rules are also clearly spelled out for each specific situation. We do not enjoy the luxury of such clearly defined rules to govern this specific situation. (If there are clear sentencing guidelines for this situation, then I am unaware and would amend my arguments in light of them).

My analogy was used for a very specific reason. That is, this appears to be a novel situation in which punishment precedence seems opaque at best. It stands to reason, that perhaps there is a preexisting concept that has already been well-developed that we may draw from. It is a cop out to think that just because it's a "game" that the concept cannot be applied.

Is my example necessarily more valid than any of the others presented? Emphatically, no. It was presented as material to consider and ruminate upon so that the discussion might be better equipped to handle the situation by understanding analogous concepts.

I've already spelled out the rules you are unaware of:

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Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Global rules (read: enforceable in VP) concerning multi-boxing (IP exemptions) and exploiting:

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2+ Boxing
Playing more than one character per server is not allowed and will be strictly enforced. The server will not allow you to log in with more than 1 account per public internet connection. Those attempting to do so will be met with an error message at the loginserver that states there has been a temporary IP block. If you legitimately have more than one real person playing from your connection, you may petition to be excluded from this limitation via an IP Exemption request in the petition forums. Please see the Support section of this guide for more information.

The server staff has many tools available at their disposal to root out people who violate this rule. Those caught will most likely be subject to a permanent ban (GM/Guide discretion).

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

Abusing IP exemption: permanent ban
Exploiting to provide and unintended advantage: permanent ban
Doing the above to provide an unintended advantage for an entire guild: Raid suspension

Ele · #**706** 03-22-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 47shadesofgay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ele could you please explain the point you're trying to make.

TMO started using hoops to down raid targets, IB thought this was wrong (rightly) so in order to accelerate their demise they decided to use them just as blatantly until the serverstaff took notice and fixed them. That is what your proof shows.

What else were you getting at?

Are you RIP?

RIP made a statement that TMO cried that TR's use of Ivandyr's Hoops was an exploit and that TMO got it nerfed. Which is just incorrect.

Accelerate whose demise, the Hoop?

quido · #**707** 03-22-2013, 12:44 PM

I've never come to these forums lying about facts. Go ahead and disbelieve me if you want, but I'm telling the truth. FE abuses IP exemptions as much as or more than us.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble - just pointing out why lying hypocrites you are.

I hope at the end of this we're all held to the same standard =P

quido · #**708** 03-22-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 47shadesofgay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem fairly proud of the fact you guys were able to secure a Xygoz kill despite a member of your guild using a known exploit.

I have every reason to believe what I say. Prove me wrong.

I don't dispute that Aiaus is retarded - I do however dispute that his retarded presence made any real difference in anyone's ability to kill Xygoz. Sloan is lying about what happened on the ledge. Wtb ledge cam

47shadesofgay · #**709** 03-22-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you RIP?

RIP made a statement that TMO cried that TR's use of Ivandyr's Hoops was an exploit and that TMO got it nerfed. Which is just incorrect.

Accelerate whose demise, the Hoop?

No I'm not RIP, just confused by what you were getting at with your post.

From RIP's post he doesn't mention anything about TMO crying that TR's use of hoops was an exploit, and in fact I thought he meant the serverstaff were the ones who thought that. This theory would be supported by the proof you posted stating that was TR's aim.

Hence my confusion.

And yes, I meant the demise of the hoop as a viable tactic.

47shadesofgay · #**710** 03-22-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't dispute that Aiaus is retarded - I do however dispute that his retarded presence made any real difference in anyone's ability to kill Xygoz. Sloan is lying about what happened on the ledge. Wtb ledge cam

From what I gather he was training FE and rezzing TMO for hours in VP.. how does this not have any real-difference on either parties ability to kill Xygoz?

Him doing nothing more than showing up and casting 1 heal, rezzing 1 individual, being on any mobs agro list must lead to some tangible effect on something, so I'm not understanding..