Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All this sort of talk came up during the days of IB vs DA (2010-2011) and TR vs TMO (2011-2012) and never amounted to anything. I'm not sure why people are putting so much thought and angst into this. It hasn't happened in this long, maybe some things aren't mean to be. Thats just my two cents though in a perfect world everyone would get the best drops, but this is Everquest.

This is a different approach though. And FE is not IB. There have been talks about rotations etc. which are a much bigger step that what I'm proposing. Grown adults should be able to let go a small portion of non priority targets for the benefit of the rest of the server, I'm convinced we can manage something.

You can't look back and deduce what would come out of this. Because this is a different period.

TMO has shown in the past they could go with this (endangered spieces). Also Kunark has been out for 2 years now. I'm now waiting for their feedback on this. And let's keep a positive mind on this, maybe this time ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tarigin]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is getting derailed by Sirken's comments... no guilds need to merge.

Is TMO on board with this? CHECK (according to Tiggles)
Is FE on board with this? CHECK (I think.. according to Shinko)

We still need:

Confirm 1 week every 3 months;
Confirm the raid targets (outdoor dragons + Draco/Maestro?) or all raid targets?
Confirm timer to FTE (24 hours?);
anything else?;

Smaller guilds on board?
A-Team? CHECK (according to Lorean)
Divinity? CHECK (according to OP)
Taken?
Full Circle?
Flawless?
any other I missed?

Let's finish this checklist and see where we're at.

Europa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[xarzzardorn]

This entire thread is an embarrassment

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This entire server is an embarrassment

[Servellious]

I remember when BDA left mobs up and how grateful those guilds were and how support was given to BDA in the fight against Tmo. Wait nvm nothing happened except bad guilds showed up to collect loot and do nothing else. Bad idea then even worse now that it has already shown to do nothing. Tmo had plenty of chances to do this and just want to stall Fe's momentum. Give me a break

[Chedduh]

bad player calling guilds bad, hilarious

[AenarieFenninRo]

I'll start with this: i'm not against the idea, and that I hope something can be worked out to make everyone happy...

But I gotta ask, and not in a flame way but in all seriousness:

Does this feel to anyone else like kids asking for a participant trophy because they didn't take 1st / 2nd place in some sporting event?

The world has gone soft in so many ways that we want to make sure everyone is happy all the time at everyone else's expense, and it really does bother me. Growing up, if we didn't win, we didn't get a trophy, plain and simple. Now days, everyone gets a trophy for the most mundane crap and it's ridiculous, all in an effort to make everyone happy.

It seems in its way, that even when I was a kid, we had to do something instead of just requesting that no other team was on the field so they could kick the ball toward the goal in the hopes of it going in.

I'm not saying that something cant or shouldn't be worked out, but it seems to me that these smaller / minor / family oriented type of guilds need to put in SOME kind of effort rather than just asking for everyone else to stop killing mobs so that they have a chance to do so. This is in essence what I am seeing being requested here.

It has been stated MANY times by top guilds on the server... TMO / IB / VD / FE / whomever... pick an abbreviation... that if you put in some time and track the mobs, and let the upper tier guilds know you would like a shot at mob X, that those guilds have offered to be accommodating. I have yet to see any of these smaller guilds do this though. Keeping in mind that this may not be the case with certain targets such as Trakanon or VP or something, but there are other targets out there like Talendor, Serverilous, Nobles, Inny, etc etc

I am all for everyone having fun, and everyone getting a chance to do something they might not normally get the chance to do, but the proposals I have seen thus far are simply asking the other teams to step off the field of play so that someone else can have a go at it.

Disclaimer: These are personal views, and not that of any guild, so please don't try to make the associations between my own views and that of the guild I belong to.

[arsenalpow]

Please elaborate on how a smaller guild could pull a target with enough effort. It's a horseshit argument.

Full Circle was the last small guild to really try and make a push. They sat at Inny for days only for TMO to show up in the last hours with a 2 group force to try and snake a kill for a target that they didn't even give a shit about.

If you want targets on this server the template has been presented by TMO (and every other guild before TMO) and then duplicated by FE. You need to have a large roster in order to pull 30-40 players at any point of the day and need to be camped out right in front of the designated target fully buffed. You need to track for over 96 hours of real time if necessary, you need to be able to fend of FTE snipes, trains, leapfrogging, and rules lawyering. You'll have to suffer through spies, moles, and any number of methods of out of game warfare. After you've done all that you'll still need to win at forumquest to make sure the propaganda machine doesn't stunt the growth or reputation of your blossoming guild.

Them once you've weathered that storm the next step is VP where the competition can just blatantly train you.

The raid scene is a joke and thinking that TMO is suddenly feeling generous now that FE is gaining momentum is just another form of gamesmanship. No one is giving shit up, if you want a target get ready to get dirty.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does this feel to anyone else like kids asking for a participant trophy because they didn't take 1st / 2nd place in some sporting event?

A closer analogy is the selfish jerk who takes all the free samples at the grocery store and then justifies it by saying everyone else wasn't fast enough.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please elaborate on how a smaller guild could pull a target with enough effort. It's a horseshit argument.

Full Circle was the last small guild to really try and make a push. They sat at Inny for days only for TMO to show up in the last hours with a 2 group force to try and snake a kill for a target that they didn't even give a shit about.

I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.