Game Mechanics: Mez/Charm immunity is not classic

[koros]

Lifetaps used to have their own resist rules, Mobs were basically flagged immune or not with some other calculation going out on the side. In fact, lifetap was one of the few spells that would work on the Clockwork EXG, although he would occasionally have a full resist (which almost never happened otherwise).

Back in May 99' I got together a group of level 16-20 necromancers and we took out Sand Giants by chaining lifetaps and swarming pets, because they ignored hard coded spell casting limits. It was amazingly fun.

[Splorf22]

Hehe I heard about the SGs. If anyone has some friends on EQ mac I would love to see some tests. It's not perfect but its the closest thing to a live server that we have.

My strong suspicious is that charm durations here are about the same as live, again basing it mostly on Xornn's guide. Stuff simply wouldn't have worked well there. However, there is something very interesting:

Originally Posted by xornn

Hasting the pet is an awesome edge, but also the most risky. The mob will kill much faster, equating to less damage during the fight, and less time in the fight itself--that means you don't need charm to hold as long, which is very important. With a 60% haste buff on the pet, it will kill a mob in 66% of the time it takes it without haste. That means it will also only take 66% of the damage it would have been dealt. Unfortunately most mobs just just about kill each other around the same level, so you end up with a pet in the 40% range on health after the first fight. Now that fight ended about 30 seconds faster than normal, which is good, but will most likely need help to finish the next fight. Also bad is the charm break, as a mob swinging 1.2 seconds faster (with SLtW) rushes you. If root breaks also, you're in for some heavy trouble.

I can say for a fact on P1999 one hasted non-dual-wielding ex enchanter pet is trivial to recharm with stun/mez (edit: xornn seems also to not have been that worried, only if root broke as well. Which still isn't that bad on 1999 tbh). I mean not hard at all. Now granted Xornn was kinda skimpy on the peridots but even naked this was not hard at all. So it would make a lot more sense to me if channelling was harder on live + mobs hit harder. Did you happen to keep any logs Koros? How much do mobs in Sebilis hit for on EQ Mac?

[Avon Barksdale]

Hi, pal, few pieces of advice here:

Enjoy the shit out of Plane of Sky, it's nice to do nothing but cast Clarity and Haste on request for a few hours while you semi-afk and get yer DKP.

Try being the only Enchanter on a nice Plane of Fear break-in. If you thought you were bored in Sky, you'll be sick of the constant attentiveness you need to provide over a 5-6 hour period to your pet, and all the mezzing you have to do.

I found myself begging for Fear after a Sky raid, and begging for Sky after a Fear raid. It's just game mechanics, brew.

Be happy you're not a Mage or Necro. All they do is send pets (that never "break" and come back after them) while being your mana/rod dumping slave (as long as you're not in buffbot status, aka Sky)

[Splorf22]

The point is to make things classic friend.

[Splorf22]

I'd really like to see something from Nilbog here, even if its just 'I'd rather work on Velious' or 'need more evidence' or even if he just takes me to classic school again hehe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nizzarr]

I was chanter during classic--> velious era and never charmed due to too many breaks and unreliability.

Also dictating ANY mobs over lvl 58 is extremely overpowered and should be fixed before anything else is done here.

[heartbrand]

Bro, Bro, dictate on level 65 mobs is classic don't ruin my immersion

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was chanter during classic--> velious era and never charmed due to too many breaks and unreliability.

Also dictating ANY mobs over lvl 58 is extremely overpowered and should be fixed before anything else is done here.

Thank you brother

Confirmed btw saw General in Kith dictated. Woke up in ER with immersion IV bag, released after stabilized.

[Splorf22]

Yeah among the mobs that can currently be dictated are Stanos Herkanor and General V'ghera. It's just ridiculous (Stanos in particular is not not slowable and therefore should be immune to magic period). I don't know if dictate on Sirran is classic or not, but its such a huge gaping balance flaw that I would like to see it eliminated. But the charm immunity of the normal trash mobs in Sky is not a balance issue at all.

I still say based on Xornn's enchanter guide our current charm durations for normal xp mobs are quite reasonable. OP, but it's clear that charm soloing (even with hasted pets) is viable in classic and should be viable here. Just because you didn't do it personally doesn't make it impossible - in fact after Kanras' nerf quite a few people (including me hehe) were seriously bitching about the new charm. Most of the people that still charm solo are the ones who rolled our toons before the nerf and just gradually got used to it; i notice a lot of new enchanters who only charm LB pets in a group.

I'm much more suspicious of mob damage and channeling skill - if channeling percentage was reduced by 20-30% that would make a huge difference in charm soloing. I also know mobs in general used to hit for more. Get some of your friends on EQ Mac to test stuff out!

[Nirgon]

I've linked guides that tell you to dictate/charm all kinds of mobs. Sirran is obviously never mentioned.. don't you think they woulda tried it? :P