General rant for the tanks out there who are being driven off the server.

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

I think it is Tuvassa.....and I know who heshes butt hurt by!

[Calamitous Oeuvre]

As a Bard puller I just want all tanks to know that....that....I like to pull.

[runlvlzero]

My butt is just fine thanks. And Seriously I never do use caps lock and I don't curse until after the buffoons start to argue with me and be ass hats about what they should have learned fighting crocs.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there is so much nerd rage on this server that even politely reminding people of their roles and what to do when shit starts hitting the fan in a group causes people to act like their entire lives have been devalued.

Seriously the whole post is simply just a rant about how one should not act like a 3 yr old child and shut the FSCK up and play.

But ya, If someone says, k, thx I already understand this, then I won't keep on it. But when people are downright pricks to prove an invalid point, yes.

And when I can pull and tank for hrs without dieing and keep the xp flowing and then some prick has to throw a wrench in the works by arguing/being dumb... ya IMO they should just can it or leave.

A mages job is to sit there, use assist, /assist, pause 10, /pet attack and frakkin kill the mob dead at whatever % life they think won't pull agro... THATS it, its not their job to frakkin debate what targets to fight etc... same goes for everyone else.

Wanna be the hero, take charge and save the day, please PLEASE roll a tank and see what the hell I am talking about.

[Malinrol]

I have full knowledge of what this guys is saying...

Mind you, im only a 27 SK (Human one at that) so i dont know about all the hard stuff tha im about to hit. Also, it is fair to say that I am new to the game. However, i know what it is like to have a bunch of dipshits in a group.

The tanks job is simple, but dangerous as hell; Make sure the mob you are currently fighting is hitting YOU, not a healer or something. With that in mind, we constantly are getting a mudhole stomped in our face by the countless red cons we get.

Now, keep this in mind for my next point.

When a tank is getting his face pounded in by this red con, we get a pop in the camp. Chances are, we have a bard or chanter or something. But instead of mezzing said pop, everyone else decides to kill this and leave the tank to the mercy of the current mob.

Being an SK, you think "Oh, he can just lifetap and be all good." However, we dont have a very good Health sucker on us. When a necro gets Lifedraw at 16 or something crazy like that, SK's get it at 30. It doesn't help that much.

Now back to the situation...

The tank is screaming in group chat for a heal, while everyone else is being absolutely clueless and cant prioritotze and kill the priority target. So as a result? Tank dies and loses XP (Which is starting to get real brutal now) and the rest of the group is all fine and dandy...

True, there are the three big people you listen to in a group; Tank, Cleric, and Chanter/Bard. Each one has the points they say in group chat and should not be de-valued. But if that tank dies, then things will seriously start getting FUBAR and then everyone else dies.

I thank you for reading my novel.
Cheers!

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I felt like this should be addressed in a public forum. I'm not going to name names but I think this community needs a heads up on what is going on in the majority of mid level groups for tanks.

A tanks job is to control the tactical combat of the group, be it through positioning, being the MA and picking targets, and occasionally pulling. They have to work with the the healer and puller to not over-pull or pull poorly. This out of the way lets get into the meat of the problem.

What is happening is an influx of very nubish ogre/troll tanks and ignorant group members who do not let the tank do their job, do not listen to the advice of a well seasoned tank that knows how to deal with different situations like fear, and caster mobs. These types are constantly harrasing people for playing tanks other then an ogre discounting them as worthless as well as their opinions.

If your going to invite a tank into a group at least listen to and try to follow what directions they give, especially when it comes to assisting mobs. Do not be a @$$hat and deliberately target other mobs with your pets then tell the tank that you were saving them or the bard/enchanter. Its not your job, your job is to kill the targets the tanks pick.

This is just basically how it is and how it has been in any successful EQ group since the dawn of time. When the newbs out there degrade and work against the tank then it causes group wipes.

So I don't care how big your EPEEN is or that you got an A in math class last summer if your tank says to do something just do it.

By no means is it easy to play a tank and they have much more stake in the success of a group because they rely on you not to get them killed in order to accomplish anything at all.

If you don't want to listen to your friendly tank, go and solo, and don't ever think of joining a group or being considered a decent player ever.

Remember that when the server is dieing and its hard as hell to find a tank. You can't rely on your guilds uber twinked tanks forever. You are loosing allot of good tanks to other classes and games because of this kind of ignorance. Eventually you will get to a point were ignorance is not going to cut it and no matter how well geared anyone in the group is they wont be able to save you constantly from your own stupid mistakes, nor will they wish to continue spending the time.

I would just like to add this small edit and say that what a tank brings to your group in knowledge far out ways any stats they may have incidentally accumulated over the course of a few hrs or days online.

Thanks, your friendly tank who is now playing a solo class because they are tired of all the shenanigans out there.

Sometimes the tank just sucks and can't hold aggro worth a damn so they should go play another class/quit. Sometimes they're just idiots and think 2h tanking on a warrior is a good idea with a weapon that doesn't have a proc.

[Gukag]

Malinrol, just wait untill you get to 30. Personally I've never run into a group that didn't assist the MT, or maybe just 1 guy in the group and the rest would get on his case about it, and occasionally a few pet owners not paying attention. But if that keeps happening once you are lvl 30, just feign death. They'll worry about the mob when it starts beating the crap out of the cleric. And you can get the aggro back easily with a quick taunt followed by disease cloud.

[Gukag]

Oh and another thing, this is just pure whining. If you want to play easymode and go solo with a pet class, just say so. Don't blame other people because you suck at tanking. I haven't dealt with low level groups in a while, but even in EC orc camps the majority of the group was always familiar with concepts like assist and aggro and CC for adds.

[Abacabb]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My butt is just fine thanks. And Seriously I never do use caps lock and I don't curse until after the buffoons start to argue with me and be ass hats about what they should have learned fighting crocs.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But there is so much nerd rage on this server that even politely reminding people of their roles and what to do when shit starts hitting the fan in a group causes people to act like their entire lives have been devalued.

Seriously the whole post is simply just a rant about how one should not act like a 3 yr old child and shut the FSCK up and play.

But ya, If someone says, k, thx I already understand this, then I won't keep on it. But when people are downright pricks to prove an invalid point, yes.

And when I can pull and tank for hrs without dieing and keep the xp flowing and then some prick has to throw a wrench in the works by arguing/being dumb... ya IMO they should just can it or leave.

A mages job is to sit there, use assist, /assist, pause 10, /pet attack and frakkin kill the mob dead at whatever % life they think won't pull agro... THATS it, its not their job to frakkin debate what targets to fight etc... same goes for everyone else.

Wanna be the hero, take charge and save the day, please PLEASE roll a tank and see what the hell I am talking about.

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[Lucrio40]

I've had very little problem tanking in groups so far, granted I'm only level 13 on my paladin.

I do somewhat agree with the OP, You would think after 10 years people wouldn't need to be told this.

[Mady]

I'm a barb warrior in early teens. I don't get antsy about it.

Everyone knows taunt sucks and doesn't work on mobs of a higher con.

I have no procing weapons.

I just do what I can. Hit with an arrow on incoming. Stay in the mobs face. Try to position the mob so its back is to pets and rogues. Hit taunt when I loose aggro.

There isn't a whole hell of a lot more that I can do other than try to get aggro back as fast as I can after loosing it.

It's difficult to do more than the mechanics of the game will allow you.