Top end guilds ruining the server as usual

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh gawd forbid you do something besides raiding in your free game.

Fuck off.

haha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1Also for the record : weren't there more guilds that had entered PoM at the end of velious than guilds that had entered VP at the end of kunark ? Somehow I have this impression but I might be mistaken (was EQ already getting easier in velious ?)

It was, keep in mind that the only keyed zone in all of Velious was ST. NToV/WToV/PoM/PoG and even some Kael drops made all but one or two of the VP drops obsolete so there was really no reason to get a guild geared up for it to go fighting for gear that you already had replacements to.

[EnnoiaII]

Originally Posted by Malicious Style [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can say that a million fucking times and the problem will still be lack of content.

Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that this server has five guilds capable of killing 90% of the boss mobs. If we divide them all evenly, that means each guild has about two hours of raiding a week, assuming they get lost a few times and wipe a couple times.

The pie isn't very big. Cutting it into smaller slices isn't going to make the hungry people much happier, there are just going to be more hungry people. No server had this many level 60s who wanted to raid on live.

The problem isn't that everyone (except you of course) is an asshole. There is competition for scarce resources and it can get unpleasant.

The issue isn't a lack of content, it's the immaturity of guild leaders. You can claim that it's lack of content all you want, but if Velious does ever launch here, you have things like the following that playing the FTE bullshit game just won't work for...

-Dain Frostreaver: He fucking teleports you when he hits you, how are you supposed to call FTE on that when there are going to be multiple people trying to grab him?

-Statue/Idol/AoW: Does whoever gets Statue get AoW? Is the whole thing going to be a clusterfuck free for all?

-Stormfeather: Not really a raid, but this moronic FTE mentality will flow over to things like this. You wanna sit at a spawn for days only to have it KS'd because it spawned a couple yards to the left?

-Kael plate room: Much like the AoE event, waste all of your time clearing giants only to have someone else tag the end guy first?

-Velious raid mobs don't just sit there and wait for you to come kill them like Naggy/Trak/etc. You have to actually pull them out unless you want to spend hours clearing trash, or with AoW, hitting everyone around you with AoE spells.

The game gets different with Velious, and going into it with the same childish mentality that the raidscene has now will just kill all of the fun it could be. If people don't want to grow up and stop being little cockbites, that's fine, I can always go back outside.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by EnnoiaII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue isn't a lack of content, it's the immaturity of guild leaders. You can claim that it's lack of content all you want, but if Velious does ever launch here, you have things like the following that playing the FTE bullshit game just won't work for...

-Dain Frostreaver: He fucking teleports you when he hits you, how are you supposed to call FTE on that when there are going to be multiple people trying to grab him?

-Statue/Idol/AoW: Does whoever gets Statue get AoW? Is the whole thing going to be a clusterfuck free for all?

-Stormfeather: Not really a raid, but this moronic FTE mentality will flow over to things like this. You wanna sit at a spawn for days only to have it KS'd because it spawned a couple yards to the left?

-Kael plate room: Much like the AoE event, waste all of your time clearing giants only to have someone else tag the end guy first?

-Velious raid mobs don't just sit there and wait for you to come kill them like Naggy/Trak/etc. You have to actually pull them out unless you want to spend hours clearing trash, or with AoW, hitting everyone around you with AoE spells.

The game gets different with Velious, and going into it with the same childish mentality that the raidscene has now will just kill all of the fun it could be. If people don't want to grow up and stop being little cockbites, that's fine, I can always go back outside.

a) People fight him at the bottom of the well. Can't imagine this being any different than dragon charm or DT on initiation

b) Yes, 20 minute grace period to pull the subsequent mobs

c) Worse things have happened. Non raid mobs are usually 'campable' by the rules of the server and preference would be given to the first one sitting at or around his spawn point.

d) Once again, triggered mobs provide a 20 minute grace period to the killer of the trigger

e)? You just described VP. Every dragon, pather or static is brought to the entrance no matter how far away they are.

f) Thats what your post gets, an F. please go away

[dragonfists]

guild's aint gonna work things out (not pointing fingers you can read for yourselves past statements), sorry but its too many little kids on the server.. i'm for rotation personally but ya if you're thinking it will happen it wont

wtb fte shout already..

to OP: 3 sec delay, then still FTE so again, wtb fte shout already..

p.s. i would be ok with training and shitstorming on every mob versus poopsock - anything but poopsock!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've obviously never played on live if you believe for a second I'm assuming anything.


So what you are saying is that because a large number of people are being immature twits, that makes it ok?


This does nothing to address the fact that at the end of the day this is a game and the delicate genius raiders are indeed ruining things for everyone else.

Rotations worked on live, it's in the history books, a proven fact. Stop making excuses. I'll give Alarti credit for this and this only, as much as he spins shit out of whack, he's made it very clear that he knows he's a greedy cunt and doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. At least he's honest about that.

Rotations existed when there was a greater supply. The server is entirely too large for a rotation to work. Stop your vitriol and try thinking for a change.

If things are ruined here for you go play live or wow. This is classic EQ.... you obviously never played on live during this era.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by EnnoiaII [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue isn't a lack of content, it's the immaturity of guild leaders. You can claim that it's lack of content all you want, but if Velious does ever launch here, you have things like the following that playing the FTE bullshit game just won't work for...

-Dain Frostreaver: He fucking teleports you when he hits you, how are you supposed to call FTE on that when there are going to be multiple people trying to grab him?

-Statue/Idol/AoW: Does whoever gets Statue get AoW? Is the whole thing going to be a clusterfuck free for all?

-Stormfeather: Not really a raid, but this moronic FTE mentality will flow over to things like this. You wanna sit at a spawn for days only to have it KS'd because it spawned a couple yards to the left?

-Kael plate room: Much like the AoE event, waste all of your time clearing giants only to have someone else tag the end guy first?

-Velious raid mobs don't just sit there and wait for you to come kill them like Naggy/Trak/etc. You have to actually pull them out unless you want to spend hours clearing trash, or with AoW, hitting everyone around you with AoE spells.

The game gets different with Velious, and going into it with the same childish mentality that the raidscene has now will just kill all of the fun it could be. If people don't want to grow up and stop being little cockbites, that's fine, I can always go back outside.

The issue isn't the immaturity of guild leaders, its a lack of content. You can claim that it's immaturity of guild leaders all you want, but you will be wrong.

Velious doesn't support FTE raiding... there well need to be new rules come velious. What is your point? Lol

[arsenalpow]

I'd actually like to see some pro-active solutions for velious. I'd rather growth not turn into Fear 2.0 where kiting the zone to kill Tunare is the default strategy. I have no idea if that is even possible but clearing Growth for hours only to be leapfrogged at Tunare would be the biggest dicking ever.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by dragonfists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guild's aint gonna work things out (not pointing fingers you can read for yourselves past statements), sorry but its too many little kids on the server.. i'm for rotation personally but ya if you're thinking it will happen it wont

wtb fte shout already..

to OP: 3 sec delay, then still FTE so again, wtb fte shout already..

p.s. i would be ok with training and shitstorming on every mob versus poopsock - anything but poopsock!

Explain to me how awesome a rotation would be across 600+ raiders.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain to me how awesome a rotation would be across 600+ raiders.

I get that you don't want a rotation, you're at the top of the food chain so why would you want to give any of that away, but a rotation with a fixed window to engage could be viable with the right amount of tweaking.

Rotate Trak with a 15 minutes to engage clause, if you don't it reverts to FTE. If it's BDA's slot and Trak spawns at 4am we aren't getting it anyways.