Raid Rules / FAQ

[Grahm]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid Rules / FAQQ: Where can I deposit my tears?

A: As always your tears and crying of favoritism are important to us; for without you we couldn't possibly run things around there. You are the wind beneath my wings. Please direct your tears to the Petition/Exploit Forum or in extreme cases of hissy fits or conspiracy theories, Nilbog's Inbox.

[Xigor]

So, how does this actually work in game. For instance Monday night FV is raiding hate, with 28 people in the zone and 2 trackers from other guilds. Just before moving to the fountain near maestro room. Maestro pops. Within a few minutes BDA and TMO are both porting people into hate. A minute later Maestro along with a host of golems and other trash go rushing past the fountain and current FV raid. The ensuing train kills nearly everyone and a GM shows up and starts rezzing. After people have received GM rezzes mobs continue to be pulled killing people who haven't even looted yet. Eventually TMO downs maestro at zone in.

Several questions arise from what occurred in this event:

1 Is it ever okay to pull a raid mob past another raid force? (High chance of training, also is this kiting?)

2 Once a GM starts rezzing people is okay to pull to where people are receiving rezzes? (How do we know your not taking the GM to rez to re-engage the mob you legitimately wiped on?)

3 If guild A is the only one with sufficient force in zone when a mob spawns. Guild B ports up and gets FTE on the mob but dies causing guild A to wipe. Guild C then arrives to finish off the named spawn. Is it a legitimate kill for guild C who got the mob because guild B trained it past guild A wiping them both? Thus denying guild A their shot at the mob?

4 At what point, if ever, does presence count any more. If there are 28 members of a guild raiding a zone when a mob (that can be downed with 2 groups or less) spawns; is it ever reasonable to think, "They have 28 people in the zone already, but we can roll up with 8-10 people and FTE without disrupting the raid"?

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Xigor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, how does this actually work in game. For instance Monday night FV is raiding hate, with 28 people in the zone and 2 trackers from other guilds. Just before moving to the fountain near maestro room. Maestro pops. Within a few minutes BDA and TMO are both porting people into hate. A minute later Maestro along with a host of golems and other trash go rushing past the fountain and current FV raid. The ensuing train kills nearly everyone and a GM shows up and starts rezzing. After people have received GM rezzes mobs continue to be pulled killing people who haven't even looted yet. Eventually TMO downs maestro at zone in.

Several questions arise from what occurred in this event:

1 Is it ever okay to pull a raid mob past another raid force? (High chance of training, also is this kiting?)

2 Once a GM starts rezzing people is okay to pull to where people are receiving rezzes? (How do we know your not taking the GM to rez to re-engage the mob you legitimately wiped on?)

3 If guild A is the only one with sufficient force in zone when a mob spawns. Guild B ports up and gets FTE on the mob but dies causing guild A to wipe. Guild C then arrives to finish off the named spawn. Is it a legitimate kill for guild C who got the mob because guild B trained it past guild A wiping them both? Thus denying guild A their shot at the mob?

4 At what point, if ever, does presence count any more. If there are 28 members of a guild raiding a zone when a mob (that can be downed with 2 groups or less) spawns; is it ever reasonable to think, "They have 28 people in the zone already, but we can roll up with 8-10 people and FTE without disrupting the raid"?

This is what is horribly wrong with straight FTE ruleset. There is no consideration for other raids present. There should be a play nice policy for the raid scene, but Rogaen hasn't written it yet. It has remained completely blank for many moons.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2651


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4) PvE Server Rules

Under Construction. Will include Play Nice Policy and etc.
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That section has been under construction since 04-08-2012, 06:58 AM. Not sure what he's waiting for.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

So since there isn't a play nice policy or whatever, you tell your guild its perfectly fine to just snipe a mob from a guild then pull that mob and the mobs around it on top of the guild that was already fighting there? If you guys wanted maestro you should have leap frogged FV. Instead sanluen pulled a massive train on top of us while we were fighting mobs in the doorway. On top of that he most likely goes unpunished because we don't normally contest and don't bother with fraps or anything like that. I really think BDAs twisted take on the server rules is worse for the server than TMOs raid scene domination ever was...

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Sweetbaby Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really think BDAs twisted take on the server rules is worse for the server than TMOs raid scene domination ever was...

[Metallikus]

Im appauled to say the least. Whereas I cannot speak on what actually happened for your Maestro scenario, I thought the post was hypothetical because this is the first time I've heard that story, I was not there. But for you to say BDA's take on server rules is worse for the server than TMO, I'm just flabbergasted.

In a world where TMO has taken a dump on BDA/VD/FE or whoever has ever tried to compete with them, we have endured more bullshit than you can possibly imagine. When one of the logs of shit touches your guild for the first time, you call foul on BDA, the decent guys who are willing to negotiate any raid dispute and share content, but not call foul on TMO, the guys that steamroll and refuse to consider anyone else.

I'm almost done championing for a better server. TMO somehow gets mad props and praise for being a selfish, ruthless, cutthroat, lootwhoring machine that takes everything there is and sells the scraps to the hungry chicks.

[India]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im appauled to say the least. Whereas I cannot speak on what actually happened for your Maestro scenario, I thought the post was hypothetical because this is the first time I've heard that story, I was not there. But for you to say BDA's take on server rules is worse for the server than TMO, I'm just flabbergasted.

In a world where TMO has taken a dump on BDA/VD/FE or whoever has ever tried to compete with them, we have endured more bullshit than you can possibly imagine. When one of the logs of shit touches your guild for the first time, you call foul on BDA, the decent guys who are willing to negotiate any raid dispute and share content, .....

LOL oh please!! There are quite a few threads that state otherwise...

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL oh please!! There are quite a few threads that state otherwise...

Many Many threads... from more guilds than TMO. BDA/FE are the prime complainers about TMO. Everyone complains abotu BDA.

Metallikus just has hate in his heart.

[quido]

Are we really trolling this thread? Come on now.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Sweetbaby Jesus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So since there isn't a play nice policy or whatever, you tell your guild its perfectly fine to just snipe a mob from a guild then pull that mob and the mobs around it on top of the guild that was already fighting there? If you guys wanted maestro you should have leap frogged FV. Instead sanluen pulled a massive train on top of us while we were fighting mobs in the doorway. On top of that he most likely goes unpunished because we don't normally contest and don't bother with fraps or anything like that. I really think BDAs twisted take on the server rules is worse for the server than TMOs raid scene domination ever was...

To answer your question: Training another raid is defined in another server rule:

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q: How do we report another raid training or KSing?
A: It is the responsibility of the accusers to provide evidence that they were trained. Fraps works. Certain screenshots work. We strongly suggest that you have someone watching your back. Please have only one person, preferably an officer, gather all the required information, and post it in the petition forum. We do not like an entire guild petitioning about the same thing, and doing so will result in the situation being ignored.

But as long as you cannot prove training, sniping Maestro is fair game because he's not a triggered spawn. Leapfrogging is completely legal, and the onus is on the plaintiff to provide proof of training. I'm not trying to point fingers or deflect anything, merely providing "the law".