What is end game like for normal people?

[falkun]

But Juggs/Tola/Prot raids can be successful in their own right. Many guilds/members/players still need those rare high level spells like Torpor, CotH, EoT, and many others.

But for the OP: The raid scene is rewarding because you get pixels, and see dragons die and brag that you were part of it. The 'positives' of the raid scene are self-evident and I don't see why TMO or any other person/entity should have to explain that to you.

I feel you are coming into this question with a negative bias. You need to remove the blinders and see the raid scene for what it is. P99's raid scene has been molded by the server rules that define it, for better or worse. It is the way it is and its much more monolithic than most single entities will be able to alter. Either accept it and enjoy it, or decide not to participate. Whining about it will get you nowhere, especially when you have zero stake in it at this time.

If you'd like to turn your whines into a positive force, see the multitude of posts regarding improving the raid scene and add your thoughts and comments there. Do note that your input will hold more weight if you have vast first-hand experience with P99's raid scene.

Finally, it is a long road to max level, and Everquest was designed to be enjoyed at all levels, even the raid game was not meant to be enjoyed exclusively by max-level players, unlike WoW and other modern MMOs. Enjoy leveling and getting your feet wet with raiding. As they say, "You will never know until you try." No amount of reading about it will prepare you for the highs and lows of the raid scene, so stop trying to distill it down to words.

[myriverse]

For me, "end game" has nothing to do with level or loot. It's when I decide I don't feel like playing. The end.

[Lexical]

The mere fact that many of the high end raiders here are even willing to humor the peanut gallery who is only observing the scene from afar and bringing a very negative and aggressive attitude speaks volumes on how open and helpful this community really is.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by JesterJester [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "work your ass off" means having no life to be crowned King Nothing, then I say no thanks. If I can never get my epic because of these "classic" mechanics, then so be it. However, it is my belief that the challenge should come from the actual encounter, not from having to choose between IRL and game.

Ultimately, what is this really about? Are we keeping the classic environment merely for the sake of historical accuracy, or rather that we want to relive the fun of the old times? Maybe you can say that we have both, but I disagree - at least on this point.

All of this has been repeated to you in this thread but you refuse to listen. I will try once more:

1) You do not have to 'have no life' to be in a raiding guild that gets kills. Period. You seem to have this belief that all members of all top guilds are online 24/7. It's ridiculous, laughable and untrue.

2) You still seem to believe that only members in the top 1-2 guilds can get epics. Again, not true.

3) You seem to believe that one should be able to get high end loot and epics with little effort. I do not know where you got this idea. It has never been true. There are other emulated servers that will let you achieve these exact goals.

4) You seem to have formed your opinions of top guilds based purely on these forums. This is a ridiculous thing to do. You are honestly going to take the words of a couple very loud forum members and let that shape your opinion of the top guilds? Just think about that for a second and realize how foolish it is. Almost all of the anger that people have for TMO boils down to the simple fact that they kill the most targets and others have this ludicrous notion that they should 'play nice' and simply not kill targets or let other guilds get kills when the server rules clearly allow them to prevent it.

5) Players compete for loot. You simply have to accept this. You seem to not want competition, but instead for top guilds to simply give up kills so players like you can take their loot. Again, there are other emulated servers that will let you get loot without the competition.

6) If you aren't willing to attempt to get into a top guild, then don't expect to get the high end loot. You should also maybe try to shake the concept that 'all top guilds are evil and are filled with no-lifers who poopsock 24/7'. It's ludicrous and filled with very little truth.

[Zenlina]

End raid on this world is alot different to how live is. Here you raid at your convenience, obviously if you want to get loot/items you need to raid a little more. The way the system works with both top alliances is, a hand full of player tracking for bosses (Those trackers would be higher on the list to receive loot for those bosses they are tracking) and the rest of the guild kind of carries on with life or other things in game.

Now once the boss pops the trackers would send out a signal to all members of the guild, at this point its up to the players to either accept to go or not.

This is the reason why any end game guild have over 150+ members. You will rarely see more then 50-60 raiders for any boss, more around the 40s nowdays.

As for all the bickering going on the forum, its generally the leaders/officers showing how big there pee pee is (And its all the same crap too, why cant you bastard come up with some new material, you boring me), so you can ignore that because honestly it doesnt effect the other 99.9% of the guilds.

In the end, when picking which guild to join, its the policy that you should have a look at, then the members/leaders. In the end its how well end game guilds set up there organization. And this is the main reason why those two top guilds get most the high end bosses.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Zenlina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

End raid on this world is alot different to how live is. Here you raid at your convenience, obviously if you want to get loot/items you need to raid a little more. The way the system works with both top alliances is, a hand full of player tracking for bosses (Those trackers would be higher on the list to receive loot for those bosses they are tracking) and the rest of the guild kind of carries on with life or other things in game.

Now once the boss pops the trackers would send out a signal to all members of the guild, at this point its up to the players to either accept to go or not.

This is the reason why any end game guild have over 150+ members. You will rarely see more then 50-60 raiders for any boss, more around the 40s nowdays.

As for all the bickering going on the forum, its generally the leaders/officers showing how big there pee pee is (And its all the same crap too, why cant you bastard come up with some new material, you boring me), so you can ignore that because honestly it doesnt effect the other 99.9% of the guilds.

In the end, when picking which guild to join, its the policy that you should have a look at, then the members/leaders. In the end its how well end game guilds set up there organization. And this is the main reason why those two top guilds get most the high end bosses.

I'll show you my peepee Zenlina

anyways OP,

you keep asking the same questions and you keep asking if that's right or fair or how it was etc.

It's not..


TMO gets 90% of the mobs FE gets the other 10% each guild requires you to bat phone and poop sock and track at odd hours if needed.

It's how it is and it won't change.

If you don't join a raiding guild you will not see raid content or get certain epics until way pat velious it's unfair and shitty but it's the truth.

So you have three options

1, Accept that and not raid.
2, Quit
3, Raid

[Autotune]

I have made a few raids the last few weeks without responding to a batphone and without playing more than 12 hours (over the last 2 months).

Think i'm up to like 3 or 4 targets /flex.

Then again, I am better than everyone else.

[Tenlaar]

OP never asked if it was fair or how it was. OP only wanted to know how accurately the forum represented the actual raid scene. And OP still has one group of people saying it's TMO/FE or GTFO for raids, one group of people saying that's not true, and a few people acting like I'm a casual noob who doesn't deserve loot for even wanting to know.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP never asked if it was fair or how it was. OP only wanted to know how accurately the forum represented the actual raid scene. And OP still has one group of people saying it's TMO/FE or GTFO for raids, one group of people saying that's not true, and a few people acting like I'm a casual noob who doesn't deserve loot for even wanting to know.

TMO or FE are the only guilds that are currently killing targets regularly.

Other guilds can/could, but they need more people that are p99 raid capable.

People like OP will have to join a guild like TMO or FE to ride their coats to do what you want to do. So you really can't join any other guild and get what you want, because you lack the will to fight on p99.

The forums are never a good judge of how anything is in game.

Project1999 raiding isn't casual, you are casual and so you don't fit for raiding on p99.

[Safon]

Want your epic/high end raiding? Join TMO for frequent deliverance of said prizes, or FE for infrequent deliverance. Don't want to put in the time with either guild? Deal with not having your epic/high end raiding. It's really more or less that simple