If red were to ever be restarted, would you support PvP teams?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 'Teams':

The Good Alliance consists of: Erollisi Marr, Mithaniel Marr, Rodcet Nife, Quellious, Tunare
The Evil Alliance consists of: Bertoxxulous, Cazic Thule, Innoruuk, Rallos Zek
The Neutral Alliance consists of: Brell Serilis, Bristlebane, Karana, Prexus, Solusek Ro, The Tribunal, Veeshan.



There are no Agnostics on Sullon Zek. With the new influence of the gods, those that had not declared for one deity or another have been killed. Everyone now worships a deity, if not out of respect, love or fear of the god, then out of fear for their lives at the hands of fanatics.

Barbarian Shaman and Warriors can choose to worship Mithaniel Marr. Mithaniel Marr was unwilling to abandon all of the noble barbarians that served the good, and many declared themselves in favor of an alliance with Good.

Monks will be able to worship Veeshan. The Temple in Qeynos has discovered some ancient writings that opened up new avenues.

We will be including a method for the Good and Neutral teams to use Summon Corpse or something similar in the near future.

Keep in mind that we will probably be making some changes to this server as things progress.

Enjoy!

Exactly this. Add in item loot and the FV RP style gameplay. Keep in mind, that means that ALL items (besides epics) are droppable/sellable/lootable. Now you have something going. I'd leave blue to play this.
Also "Summon" corpse isn't a very difficult thing to fix, just give mages the ability to "Summon" them, they can summon everything else anyway, it's really not that much of a stretch.

[Dullah]

Item loot would never work. It just won't. I played Rallos Zek, it was fun, but it was the lowest pop pvp server as others said, and it was because of item loot. It was fun in its time, and they worked hard with resists, balancing, etc to make it work. No longer the case here...

Originally Posted by Furniture [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe there should be a strict no Null agreement on this server, worst dev in p99, doesnt do anything, implements shitty custom resist system even though everyone on the server wants classic resists

This is also a huge part of the reason an item loot server would never work. It would need the far superior resist code of classic, but also need MUCH more proactive devs working towards nerfs (like wands, tstaff etc) to balance all the things in classic that would be overutilized and exploited now. Those sort of devs obviously don't exist, as compared to 2 years ago, patches are every 6 months instead of every few weeks.

Like already stated, woulnd't matter anyway. The same outcome would have happened had these rules been in, 100 percent guarantee it. I say would have, because if a server like this was added and it killed r99, many players, myself included, would never return.

Also, I personally don't like any MMO server where I can't kill any player. Its dumb. X-teaming is dumb.

RIP Rallos Zek.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is also a huge part of the reason an item loot server would never work. It would need the far superior resist code of classic, but also need MUCH more proactive devs working towards nerfs (like wands, tstaff etc) to balance all the things in classic that would be overutilized and exploited now. Those sort of devs obviously don't exist, as compared to 2 years ago, patches are every 6 months instead of every few weeks.

This is a good example of why a healthy debate is needed before the server would go live. I dont even know much about how resists work, but i know that i could try root on a twink on rallos 10 times and it wouldnt stick.

But we dont have many options, i think death has to sting somehow. If its not item loss, then maybe a heavily toned down xp loss in pvp could work. But i dont see that happening as devs seem to think xp loss is not a problem on red.

I would like alot more a server where the resists are like classic with item loss than some tacked on xp loss thing, personally.

I would say that there isnt much left to kill on red99, and i think if it would kill it, it would be indirectly. I dont see red growing alot more than it did. A team server might attract a bunch of brand new players that for various reasons would not roll on red, with griefing toned down, meaning potential to grow.

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly this. Add in item loot and the FV RP style gameplay. Keep in mind, that means that ALL items (besides epics) are droppable/sellable/lootable. Now you have something going. I'd leave blue to play this.

I think i would have quit the game if the halloween event of 2001 didnt come along and got me about 8-9 pieces of no drop gear. Im not aware of the rest of the no drop gear in the game though, beside the raid gear. Since there is no halloween event timeline here, im not sure how well noobs can equip themselves in no drop shit beside that gear. But it really helped me starting out, it was hard against twinks for a naked wiz.

I think the best thing for a new server would be to implement some events that drop some no drop gear, to help noobs, so that down the line brand new players can still have a chance. Just take a look at the stats of gear that dropped on the halloween event, and custom create some events happening every 2 months or something that lets noobs have a go at this gear. I made 3k plat just looting scythes in EK, that was a great start for a noob with my 8 pieces of no drop gear. Just basically do what went on live, as best as you can reproduce it. Werewolves in WC, Undead Dragon in Rathe, Spectres in EK, etc... I would even suggest more stuff like this. 12 year or so of MMO gaming, and that halloween event is STILL one of the best experiences ive done, with being part of a territory defense fleet of 70 players in eve online. It attracts players organically, without any need for GM intervention, and creates a great mix of PVE/PVP.

[Dullah]

Death already stings plenty. Egos are huge on this server, people hate dying.

This server is far from being done, and the current system is actually the best all things considered. The only thing lacking here is dev attention. We have a lot of bugs and balances that could really be addressed, and a good number of them already have been worked on, but no patch has been put thru. Kunark isn't even done, and becomes even more fun with the release of epics and tradeskills patch.

Velious will be even bigger, especially when people playing on blue realize how problematic it will be having 2000 level 60 players competing for the same content with no ability to out-poopsock the biggest neckbeards and no lifers the mmo scene has ever seen. I predict those seeking refuge from blue will trickle over more and more, and the more players we get, the more enticing joining red will be.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Death already stings plenty. Egos are huge on this server, people hate dying.

It stings too much. At least with item loot you can adjust the level of sting you want. If you want to do some solo guerilla style pvp, you might opt to go basically naked and pvp for a couple of hours.

If you are doing some pve or pvp and rolling with a crew, then you put on some gear. If youre raiding, and expect PVP, you put on your best gear.

Etc...

Theres no adjustement with xp loss, it just stings, hard, and its detrimental to breathing-space fun pvp action. It advantages alot more twinks/old players than item loss would.

[Proverbs28]

bro not everyone afraid to lose pixels

some have non EQ self worth

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It stings too much. At least with item loot you can adjust the level of sting you want. If you want to do some solo guerilla style pvp, you might opt to go basically naked and pvp for a couple of hours.

If you are doing some pve or pvp and rolling with a crew, then you put on some gear. If youre raiding, and expect PVP, you put on your best gear.

Etc...

Theres no adjustement with xp loss, it just stings, hard, and its detrimental to breathing-space fun pvp action.

Not trying to get into the folly of your arguments for the 100th time, but losing any pixels in EQ is 10x as bad as the few kills of experience you lose from a pvp death. You can literally get that exp back in under 15 minutes. Try replacing any piece of gear in EQ in 15 minutes.

You see how contrary you are to your own argument?

Probably not.

[Proverbs28]

gear comes and goes. i lived in the hood growing up, if someone stole your bike, you went out and "found" yourself another,

if you die on a melee there is no fucking way its only 15 minute grind, no offense.

REMOVE xp loss., add item loot, yellow text . xp loss keeps people from wanting to contend. dont want to lose items? melees get no drops and wear banded mostly when theat of pvp. people will use blacksmiths and jewelers more

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to get into the folly of your arguments for the 100th time, but losing any pixels in EQ is 10x as bad as the few kills of experience you lose from a pvp death. You can literally get that exp back in under 15 minutes. Try replacing any piece of gear in EQ in 15 minutes.

You see how contrary you are to your own argument?

Probably not.

Youve completely avoided my point that you can decide which amount of gear you want to risk losing.

So if you lose 0 gear, you lose 0 time, beside the bars. What about no drop gear?

Edit: ^ Blacksmith gear, bagging.

Just the fact that you say a cookie-cutter amount of time for xp loss "15 minutes" (No mention of classes or levels) should have alarm bells ringing.

[nilbog]

Cool things about item loot:
-players do quests for no drop items.
-twinks are gangbanged for their shiny pixels. instead of running from them. there's a reason to pvp other than zone control or simple griefing.
-separates pve looters from pvp looters

Bad things about item loot:
-losing primary, secondary, or ranged. detrimental to play a melee without a weapon (i would not support an implementation of item loot without those slots being protected. honestly i might go as far as to say for custom item loot, a melee spawns soulbound with the weapons they had equipped when they died)
-can't implement after server is established

I think every iteration of a pvp server should attempt item loot at launch. If it doesn't work, fine. If it does, great.

Also, casters shouldn't be able to meditate without seeing only their spell book prior to level 35. In before someone says casters are better than melee.