exp penalty

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd take a group of 6 good hybrids and all of the exp penalty that comes with it than a group of no hybrids and one crappy player who consistently trains the group.

^ This!

Players come into it too, I remember Enterlooper (DE Wizard), sorry if you're reading this... who in KC would just mana burn and afk for 5 minutes. Wizards have a rough time on getting groups anyway, but to be semi-totally afk for 5 minutes isn't helping your cause.

I tend to find people remember the good players, the ones who play their class well and put the effort in...versus an enchanter who takes ages to CC mobs because he's too busy watching Netflix. Reputation is everything [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pogslammer]

Again, it has nothing to do with who's in my group. I just wanted to be a little more educated with grouping. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[melkezidek]

Im pretty sure racial penalties do not effect group.

[Boilon]

I always find it funny why people group with iksar monks, when their penalties are about the same as a regular hybrid.

[Galaa]

Let's say ur grp has 1 slot for a tank and there's a halfling warrior (+14.5% XP bonus) and an iksar SK (-68% XP penalty), both of them are good players, which one will u pick to grp with?

[Jellob_Iafra]

not sure why this isnt stickied but here is all you need to know about exp pen and what it effects.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=24405
another guide
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84653

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Pogslammer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you get the exp penalty for grouping with a troll sk or do only they have it?

They're shared because they feared that friends without the penalty would outlevel their freinds who have it. So they shared it to ensure that people will stick within range of each other.

You can read about it here:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/edit...rs_letter.html

They only removed experience penalty sharing when they removed class experience penalties. So this means that racial experience penalties were shared in groups previous to 1/14/01 at least. Some years later in september 2006 they went the extra mile and removed all experience penalties from the races.

Here's the Patch Notes for it:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2006-2.html

*** Miscellaneous ***

- Race based experience penalties have been removed.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's say ur grp has 1 slot for a tank and there's a halfling warrior (+14.5% XP bonus) and an iksar SK (-68% XP penalty), both of them are good players, which one will u pick to grp with?

High level, I'd take the assling, but pre-55, I'd take the SK. Him tanking so I can pull the next thing is going to make the group smoother than me tanking with a small exp bonus. "Good player" all you want, obsidian shards are shit for aggro, yaks can keep mobs off me if you have the Dex, but that's not til 37 at the earliest.

[August]

I think it's important to remember that a hybrid / racial discrepancy causes everyone around them to gain exp at an inverse rate to their penalty.

For instance, if you are suffering a 20% penalty at equal level then you can assume that they have 20% more exp than you at even level. Let's do some math.

Say at level 20 someone with no modifier has 10,000 experience point. We'll call him Adam.

At level 20, someone with a negative modifier (let's use -40%) requires 40% more exp to level. We'll call her Eve.

So, you can say that that Eve, at level 20, has 14,000 experience points.

So, Adam and Eve get together and go and exp. Together, they have 24,000 exp points. When exp is doled out, Eve will get (7/12) (58.3%) of the experience, while poor poor Adam only gets (5/12) (42.6%) of the experience.

So let's say at level 20 it takes 1000 exp points to level at no modifier. And, for ease of the maths, let's say that you're killing mobs that each give 10 exp each.

So, Adam needs 1000 to level, and is receiving (10exp * .416) per kill, or 4.16exp each.

He will need to kill (1000/4.16) = 240 mobs to get his level in this group.

Eve, on the other hand, needs 1400 exp to level. She is receiving 5.83 exp each mob.

She will need to kill (1400/5.83) = 240 mobs to get her level.

Notice that had they been separate, Eve would have taken 40% longer to level. Now they are leveling at the same rate.

The takeaway of all this?

While grouping, penalties and bonuses get normalized so that all members share the penalty. Specifically, lower leveled people and those w/ + modifiers are penalized while the higher levels and those with negative modifiers receive a reduced sentence.

For this reason I am not sure why SKs and Rangers, hybrids, et. al always complain about 'how long' it takes to level up. As long as you are grouped you are exping at the same rate as everyone else with accordance to level. While it does take you more exp to level, you are being given more exp as you go. The only time the penalty really comes into effect is when you solo. This is the main reason why people will deny higher levels and hybrids into the group, as everyones exp becomes drastically lowered to compensate for their penalty while they suck up more exp to get the same percentage of level each turn.

[Spoonerism]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's say ur grp has 1 slot for a tank and there's a halfling warrior (+14.5% XP bonus) and an iksar SK (-68% XP penalty), both of them are good players, which one will u pick to grp with?

Whoever asked first :P

If no one asked...well, I am at a loss. I am an Ogre SK so I have to have love for myself. But I do like halflings... lol