stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The stats in your link say overall violence has increased. the stats in all 3 of mine state that overall violence has remained relatively unchanged or decreased slightly.

If you're not saying the stats conflict, what are we arguing about?

Please understand that violent crimes also includes crimes where people didn't die.

[Humerox]

I do. if you factor that into the equation the overall violence has gone down.

I'd like to see an actual study that says differently. A study that is credible - meaning that it discloses methods, sources, statistical data, and is preferably from an academic institution. I've found two so far that meet that criteria.

Link me one so I can can read it. The only actual studies I've found dispute what both you and Vell are saying.

[Vellatri]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the stats in all 3 of mine state that overall violence has remained relatively unchanged or decreased slightly.

Where? You never pointed out any such "overall violence" item.

I was pointing out that Australia experienced a decrease in murder comparable with the U.S., where no such ban exists. At the same time, it experienced an increase in violent crime while the U.S. experienced a decrease. It's all in the first post.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do. if you factor that into the equation the overall violence has gone down.

I'll factor into your equation.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Vellatri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where? You never pointed out any such "overall violence" item.

I was pointing out that Australia experienced a decrease in murder comparable with the U.S., where no such ban exists. At the same time, it experienced an increase in violent crime while the U.S. experienced a decrease. It's all in the first post.

If you'd read what I linked you'd find the overall violence statistics in those studies.

[Lexical]

Pretty sure I posted a statistic from the AIC that shows overall violent crimes rose, but that shit doesn't exist if I ignore it so w/e.

**insert phallic joke here**

[Vellatri]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you'd read what I linked you'd find the overall violence statistics in those studies.

They say nothing about overall violence decreasing. Furthermore, the onus is not on me to prove a negative. If the "facts" are so obvious, you should be able to pull them out front and center.

[Lexical]

yeah I'll pull something out front and center.

[Pico]

cant believe how many words i didn read

[Lexical]

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