ban on assault weapons and 10 round clip limit

[Halfelfbard]

i am pro gun all the way man, i even own a few...but an assault weapon i will never need, i am not in the armed forces, or a police officer.

And unless there is a war coming to Wisconsin, not like im gonna hunt with a, LOL assault weapon.

[Halfelfbard]

And the define ur probally wanting is something with militia's, and the ability to defend yourself if the army isn't there.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Halfelfbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i am pro gun all the way man, i even own a few...but an assault weapon i will never need, i am not in the armed forces, or a police officer.

And unless there is a war coming to Wisconsin, not like im gonna hunt with a, LOL assault weapon.

I'm with ya, bro. I'm pro-gun and anti assault-style weapons meself.

I need one of these extreme right-wingers to explain this to me.

What arms can you bear according to the Constitution?

[Halfelfbard]

Well i did find something to clear this up i guess.

http://idiotsguides.com/static/quick...bear_arms.html

[Harmonium]

As the Oregon Supreme Court recently opined, in the state constitutions adopted between 1776 and 1802 "the term 'arms' as used by the drafters of the constitutions probably was intended to include those weapons used by settlers for both personal and military defense. The term 'arms' was not limited to firearms, but included several handcarried weapons commonly used for defense." Under the second amendment, all commonly possessed arms which an individual could "keep and bear" would be constitutionally protected. Both then and now, these arms include firearms, edged weapons, and blunt instruments.

The most clearly protected firearm is the rifle, the use of which for self-defense even in urban areas is protected by the second amendment "guarantee of the right of the individual to bear arms."

The modern descendent of the musket, the rifle is the classic militia firearm. The shotgun is also protected by the second amendment. The short-barreled shotgun is the descendent of the blunderbuss, a classic home defense arm, in contrast with the long-barreled hunting shotgun known traditionally as the fowling piece. While it may not be within judicial notice that the short-barreled shotgun is a militia arm protected by the second amendment, such an arm has been factually determined to fall within a state constitution protecting the right of citizens to "keep and bear arms for their common defense."

The arm most commonly possessed for self-defense is the pistol, due to its ease of storage, carriage, and accessibility. "'Pistol' ex vi termini is properly included within the word 'arms,' and ... the right to bear such arms ... cannot be infringed." Its short barrel makes it difficult for an assailant to grab, and its size, weight, and simple mechanism makes its use viable for women, the elderly, and the handicapped. Smaller pistols have particular utility for smaller people. The smallest handgun designed by Smith & Wesson "was such a small revolver that it was nicknamed the Ladysmith, since it seemed to be more suitable for a woman's small hand." The relatively high cost of rifles as compared to pistols suggests that a ban on ownership or possession of low-caliber handguns would effectively negate any right of the poor to bear firearms for their self-defense.

There has been little scholarship concerning whether certain edged weapons and blunt instruments are "arms" in a constitutional sense. The knife is one of mankind's oldest tools and weapons. Pocketknives were in use when the second amendment was adopted. It is questionable whether "switchblade" knives with the modern convenience of a spring-assisted blade may be banned any more than could modern firearms which no longer rely on a flintlock mechanism. The staff and the club, mankind's oldest defensive weapons, are clearly constitutionally protected.

Since "arms" under the second amendment are those which an individual is capable of bearing, artillery pieces, tanks, nuclear devices, and other heavy ordnances are not constitutionally protected. Nor are other dangerous and unusual weapons, such as grenades, bombs, bazookas, and other devices which, while capable of being carried by hand, have never been commonly possessed for self-defense. Blunt and edged instruments and firearms are capable of being used against a violent assailant in such a manner as not to endanger the innocent. In contrast, explosive devices may be incapable of pinpointing an aggressor, thus harming the innocent as well as the guilty.

this is why grenades, and explosives in general (like your assertion that was should have nukes) aren't authorized for civilians to bear.

[Humerox]

[QUOTE=Harmonium;818969probably was intended[/QUOTE]

Probably was intended doesn't answer the question. What arms does the constitution say we all have the right to bear?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

probably was intended

Try this again. Probably was intended doesn't answer the question. What arms am I allowed to bear under the Constitution?

[Harmonium]

Lol your a fucking idiot

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is why grenades, and explosives in general (like your assertion that was should have nukes) aren't authorized for civilians to bear.

Destructive grenades--frags, incendiaries, white phosphorus--are a totally different story. They are classed as Destructive Devices. To get one you need to file a form, get approval from the sheriff, get fingerprinted, go through a background check and pay a $200 tax for every grenade you want.

Current federal laws allow destructive devices.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Harmonium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol your a fucking idiot

Answer my fucking question, lol.