My proposal for Raiding guilds and GMs of P1999

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by eqdruid76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see that happening, do you? Does anyone?

You might be surprised.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back in true classic, most didnt have cable to stay online and camp like this 24/7. Im sure if majority(if not all) of the population had cable like we do these days, Im sure this would have been seen more, in all honesty.

The dominate guilds prevailed because they just happened to be on in force when stuff spawned and mobilized to it, usually knowing when it would spawn. Also most servers didnt have as high of volume of guilds able/willing to raid. Most came to p99 to re-live the classic raiding experience, thus we see more raiders available on 1 server compared to then.

Yup. And also I don't remember being able to bat phone through internet programs to alert the guild to log in and kill bosses at 4 A.M... Because God forbid a raid target lives longer than an hour after popping.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup. And also I don't remember being able to bat phone through internet programs to alert the guild to log in and kill bosses at 4 A.M... Because God forbid a raid target lives longer than an hour after popping.

IRC wut?

But no seriously IRC was the oldschool batphone. You'd sit in it in a guildchannel if you weren't online

[jilena]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing I don't think you understand is that both scenarios require the same effort in terms of mobilization.

I don't get what you are saying here. Obviously it takes the same amount of "effort" to move now or move later, to have your resist gear on you, to be ready to kill the boss now or later. However there is no comparing how inefficient one strategy is in terms of time spent. One strategy allows you to play the game 95% of the time, the other strategy tethers your character to a single location.

I don't see how you can even argue that there is a comparable amount of "fun" being had here. If you continue to do so I feel you are just being illogical to make your case sound better. Any 4 year old can be used to prove my point. Ground them to their room for some indefinite period of time until supper is ready or let them go run around doing whatever they want until it's time to eat. Observe and let me know which one looks like more fun.

Originally Posted by G13

2 guilds are being proactive and preparing for the boss's spawn in advance. Nothing is stopping another guild from mobilizing before them and claiming the spawn. The situation as it stands now, is that both DA and IB are committing themselves and mobilizing for mobs way in advance because they want the boss kills/loot more than anyone else. Other guilds are not willing to do that, which is perfectly fine. It's their choice.

Well I am not trying to be super pro IB here. I am not in either guild and I have friends in both. I do however believe the sincerity of their "if you stop camping a raid force in front of each boss we will too" statements. I know not a single person in any guild who is fond of this situation. I am not saying this doesn't count as competition and doesn't give you guys some means of trying to edge IB out of their control of the server's top end loot. I am however saying that this competition is one that is as heavily reliant on masochism as it is any sort of organization or mobilization ability.

Originally Posted by G13

You're right. It is a contest of wills between IB and DA. I don't believe that DA has lowered it's standards of recruitment, nor has IB. They have an application process where anyone can apply. You're given a fair shot to become a member. Not everyone gets into the guild. The lvl 50 game is very top heavy at the moment, with 2 guilds killing all the bosses. Obviously those 2 guilds are going to get more apps. You still need to be a competent player to help your guild when it counts.

Haha I dunno man, I see a LOT of people with these tags now. And it is almost impossible to maintain quality when quantity starts becoming more and more important. I see both guilds kicking the obvious fuck ups, but I get the feeling the overall skill in both guilds has diminished significantly (well DA picking up some IV folks prolly was a step up from FB) since camping has become rampant.

Originally Posted by G13

You get all this, but you don't seem to to be grasping it. Getting the boss at the end IS the point of both DA and IB. The "camping" strategy is nothing more than a proactive mobilization strategy. You don't want to mobilize for a boss until it spawns, which is your choice. Other people have decided to be proactive.

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The "Why" people do these things is the most important part. There is no difference in the strats because when the boss spawns, both guilds still have to do the same thing.

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The other guild that was porting in is perfectly in their right to roll call you and timer you. Nobody is stopping any guild or group of people from doing this. You don't have to camp anything either. You can wait until the boss spawns and roll call. If they answer the roll call in 1 minute, you call timer. No camping needed either. The burden is on the shoulders of the guild that mobilized days in advance. Not you.

Chopped that up a little bit to be less wall of text quoted moreso than trying to take anything out of context. I am not arguing motivations here. I am arguing that as far as the general health of both guilds is concerned, this camping shit will eventually have to stop. I KNOW both guilds want the loot, and I KNOW that is the reason for the current situation, and I KNOW that so long as it provides the best chance for some guild to get said loot it will continue unless something is done to change it. You can call it being more proactive if you want. To me it's just abusing the spirit of the rules in place to find a way to guarantee yourselves first shot at a boss. *shrug*

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IRC wut?

But no seriously IRC was the oldschool batphone. You'd sit in it in a guildchannel if you weren't online

still required you to be at your pc, twitter does not

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Phallax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

still required you to be at your pc, twitter does not

Ehhhhh, sound notification. I could hear it even from outside the house with it cranked. Maybe that was just us tho.

[Phallax]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ehhhhh, sound notification. I could hear it even from outside the house with it cranked. Maybe that was just us tho.

I was in a pretty dominate guild, we cotrolled pretty much any target we wanted on Tunare, so Im not really familiar with batphoning back then, altho I did have my fair share of it on WoW for world spawns pre-BC.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IRC wut?

But no seriously IRC was the oldschool batphone. You'd sit in it in a guildchannel if you weren't online

Right. Although there's a good chance that won't wake you up if you decide to sleep for a few hours while camping a boss, and it pops.
Now people can just sit in a vent channel, turn their speakers up and have someone yell into it to wake them up when their target pops.

[Phallax]

We had a rule on WoW for world spawns, first force to start clearing trash owned the target untill they failed. Was no time limits, just first to start clearing trash. So roughly the first guild/force with 3 or so members at green dragons.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Bones [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right. Although there's a good chance that won't wake you up if you decide to sleep for a few hours while camping a boss, and it pops.
Now people can just sit in a vent channel, turn their speakers up and have someone yell into it to wake them up when their target pops.

mIRC notification is pretty brutal. Think it's woken the dead a couple times.