stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always Americans complaining about "Socialist Europe" or "Socialist Canada". Never Europeans or Canadians complaining about it.

Ignorance is bliss - don't notice things when they happen incrementally.

But they are paying for it now.
European economy is in the shit and England is overrun with everything but English culture.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Hollywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignorance is bliss - don't notice things when they happen incrementally.

K, keep telling yourself that. I prefer to listen to the dozens of people I know who are former US citizens living in Canada/Europe who aren't coming back and don't want to.

Originally Posted by Hollywood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But they are paying for it now.
European economy is in the shit and England is overrun with everything but English culture.

The mean value of the Euro compared to USD hasn't changed much in the past 4 years, the only dip it's taken (compared to USD) is when the strength of the dollar went up.

[patriot1776]

In America, we believe being able to defend yourself, both inside and out of the home, is a basic human right. Fuck Europe, and Fuck british colonies like Canada and Australia for butting into our business.

[patriot1776]

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[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In America, we believe being able to defend yourself, both inside and out of the home, is a basic human right. Fuck Europe, and Fuck british colonies like Canada and Australia for butting into our business.

This made me laugh really hard. Good stuff! I love it!

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No...we're just the most violent of first-world nations. But yeag, let's pat ourselves on the back and congratulate each other over not being as bad as say...Swaziland.

Russia? China if they would report anything accurately and publicly?

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Did.... did you just have a change of heart?

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did.... did you just have a change of heart?

Oh! nvm, sorry for the derp.

[Vellatri]

The U.S. is the most violent of first-world nations? What is the U.K then, chopped liver? Its violent crime rate is much higher than ours. Other "first-world" nations also make us look good. This is why people keep saying "gun crime" instead of "all crime" or "violent crime." It's just a tactic to sometimes twist the figures in their favor.

Jon Stewart is a great comedian, but obviously not a logician. In order to back up his claim that gun control might work, he noted that regulating alcohol abuse works: "No, but we do enact stricter blood-alcohol limits, raise the drinking age, ramp up enforcement penalties and charge bartenders who serve drunks, and launch huge public awareness campaigns to stigmatize the dangerous behavior in question."

It's interesting to note that nobody seems to be against regulating the abuse of firearms. All agree that the shooting of innocents must be penalized, for example. Regulating the objects that are abused, however, is a different matter. I wonder why Stewart didn't cite alcohol prohibition in defense of his desired gun regulations. It worked so well, right? Didn't it?

It's also funny that he claims the Second Amendment only protects muskets while he exercises his First Amendment rights using television.

Since everyone enjoys watching television instead of actually reading, here's another good one: Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh! nvm, sorry for the derp.

Yeah, Lexical, it's called sarcasm. Sadly, I think many won't get it.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see you've come to terms with it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was never a debate regarding some gun restrictions being legal/constitutional. The debate we previously had, in which you suffered an embarrassing defeat mind you, was regarding gun laws equating to a decrease in violent crime. As has been proven on this forum a few times now, restricting guns does not reduce overall violent crime.